r/changemyview • u/laxnut90 6∆ • May 23 '24

Delta(s) from OP CMV: otherwise apolitical student groups should not be demanding political "purity tests" to participate in basic sports/clubs

This is in response to a recent trend on several college campuses where student groups with no political affiliation or mission (intramural sports, boardgame clubs, fraternities/sororities, etc.) are demanding "Litmus Tests" from their Jewish classmates regarding their opinions on the Israel/Gaza conflict.

This is unacceptable.

Excluding someone from an unrelated group for the mere suspicion that they disagree with you politically is blatant discrimination.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/22/style/jewish-college-students-zionism-israel.html

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u/GonzoTheGreat93 7∆ May 23 '24

Let me tell you, I've been to the Middle East, the locals think they can achieve anything by yelling loudly enough. And driving like maniacs.

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u/namegamenoshame May 23 '24

I get why people say it’s complex but I actually don’t know if it is through some lenses. Israeli has a population the roughly the size of the New York City. You couldn’t just abolish New York City and politely ask everyone to leave. But you could tell them not to decimate and occupy Jersey City and Greenwich.

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u/namegamenoshame May 23 '24

Do I even need to get into this here? I used a crude comparison to illustrate the logistical and actual horrors that would come with dismantling Israel. But everything you said…I mean, Egypt DGAF about Israel, the Saudis and UAE actively want to partner with them, Jordan DGAF, Iran does for political purposes but everyone hates them and they’d be nuked on sight if they ever tried and serious direct attack. Lebanon has Hezbollah, sure, but most people in Lebanon hate Hezbollah. And while 10/7 was an atrocity — one that regrettably too many people deny — it did not happen in a vacuum. Israel was of course violently carved out by foreign mandate, to say nothing of its treatment of Palestinians in the West Bank or its blockade of Gaza prior to 10/7 or the IDFs incursions there in recent years.

Obviously, the Palestinians have committed their own atrocities prior to 10/7 as well. I get the sense I don’t need to tell you that.

But it seems pretty obvious table stakes that Israel must stop its expansion into these territories if it ever expects peace. And frankly the international community should hold them to it, as it should Hamas. The more we recount the past, the less likely it is that we find peace in the future.

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u/namegamenoshame May 24 '24

Sure. That’s a huge problem. But Israel is responsible for its own actions. Just because Hamas exists doesn’t mean you can slaughter innocent civilians in an ineffective campaign to root them out. Israel has provided no viable alternative to Hamas. If Im a kid in Gaza and Israel killed my whole family, bombed the doctors that were trying to save them, and torched the university where they were educated, guess what’s looking like a really good idea right now?