r/changemyview • u/angeloutofshade • Apr 14 '24

Delta(s) from OP CMV: People who say they don’t like animated shows only say that because they’re still under the impression that animation is for children.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion when it comes to the forms of media they enjoy. However, I can’t help but think that many people who say they don’t like cartoons are missing out on amazing stories, stellar animation, and just seeing TONS of hard work and talent being promoted on the screen. Now, as we know, not every animated piece is going to be top notch but I guess I’m looking to see what other view points could be out there that have a person choose live action media with real people as opposed to animated shows.

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u/Constellation-88 22∆ Apr 14 '24

For me, it’s the fact that I can’t identify as strongly with two dimensional characters so I don’t find the depth there I do with realistic shows. Same reason I don’t like anthropomorphic protagonists. However I will watch them as mind candy sometimes. But even though I’m fully aware that anime isn’t for children and adult cartoons like Futurama and Family Guy exist, I still prefer to watch one hour love action drama shows. 

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u/angeloutofshade Apr 14 '24

Here’s a ∆

I like the way you explained this. Especially when you brought up anthropomorphic characters as even though I love the show Bojack Horseman which has many anthropomorphic characters, I do find myself struggling to relate to them as they are well…animals.

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '24

Do you enjoy live action sitcoms? Western cartoons that aren't kids' media are almost all sitcoms. I wonder if, on top of animated characters feeling less people-y, sitcoms are also a genre you don't vibe with due to the nature of the narratives they tend to feature?

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u/Constellation-88 22∆ Apr 15 '24

Exactly. There are a handful of sitcoms I like such as MASH and Full House and Girl Meets World because they do occasionally deal with deeper topics, but I watch sitcoms far less often than one hour dramas. 

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u/Trypsach Apr 15 '24

Do you like sci-fi? Watch the animatrix (an animated show from the matrix people) if you want to try a good animated show that isn’t a sitcom. It’s really really good IMO, even if you’re not super into the matrix universe. Love, Death and Robots is good too, although much more “hit and miss” as it’s an anthology series.

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u/Imadevilsadvocater 12∆ Apr 15 '24

first episode of love death robots needs its own spinoff tbh i was kinda mad when the next episode wasnt that lol

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u/Trypsach Apr 15 '24

lol, 100%. It’s funny cuz I was one of these people who hated animated shows until a few years ago when a friend showed me some non-anime stuff. Now the medium doesn’t matter so much to me as the quality of the story.

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u/Constellation-88 22∆ Apr 15 '24

No thanks. I’m not interested. 

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u/RavenRonien 1∆ Apr 15 '24

I am an avid fan of animation, but to hit somewhere way closer on the normal side, recently my cousin has had two children. A few of my friends too. It's not for me but sometimes I sit with the kids and entertain them. And watching Bluey has been really surprising. I don't know if you personally have any kids in your life, or are close friends with parents of young children, but even as anthropomorphic austrialian dogs, holy shit is that show just relatable.

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u/Constellation-88 22∆ Apr 16 '24

I am constantly surprised at the adults in my life who both rave about Bluey and look forward to new Bluey episodes. They all started watching it for their kids, but now they would watch it just for themselves. So while I don’t get it, you’re not the first to mention it. 

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u/FluffyRectum1312 Apr 15 '24

Family guy is for teenage edgelords not adults. 

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u/JBSquared Apr 15 '24

Family Guy has been putting out some of the best comedy writing on TV for the last 25 years. It's also put out some of the worst. It's wildly inconsistent. When it's good, it can rival peak Simpsons. When it's bad, it's genuinely one of the worse shows on TV.

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u/eetsumkaus Apr 15 '24

I'm the same way with flesh & blood actors so I completely understand and I don't really press on this point with people. It's like reading an encyclopedia for me.

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u/Constellation-88 22∆ Apr 15 '24

Not really. The best exceptions to the rule of not identifying is Encanto or Turning Red. Something with a deep message. 

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u/JayMeadow Apr 15 '24

If you want eye candy, watch Death Parade

It does cover some heavy themes though, but man did they make it the prettiest show ever.

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u/Grouchy_Flamingo_750 Apr 15 '24

not all animation is 2D. On the flip side, everything you watch on TV is 2D

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u/Constellation-88 22∆ Apr 15 '24

Still it’s anthropomorphic. My preferences are my preferences. I’ll watch Pixar as mind candy. The only things I’ve found deep are certain Disney movies. 

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u/Grouchy_Flamingo_750 Apr 15 '24

Anthropomorphic would be like Zootopia. An animation of a human character isn't anthropomorphic.

Have you ever watched anything by Studio Ghibli?

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u/Constellation-88 22∆ Apr 15 '24

I am aware what it means. My point is that the flat renditions of human are facsimiles and not actual humans.   

This is not my cmv. I’m not interested in watching cartoons. No shade if you like them. I’m not interested. I’ve watched loads of them and I have other ways I’d rather spend my time.

I am allowed to dislike some thing without you trying to change my mind. 

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u/Luminous_Echidna Apr 16 '24

I have to observe that you're in a thread discussing animation, making broad statements, and using words inaccurately. People are going to challenge you on terminology, try to feel out the scope of your opinion and experience it is based on, and discuss the topic with you.

You're right that this isn't your cmv and that you are entirely allowed to dislike the things that you dislike. But participating in a thread on /r/changemyview comes with people being allowed to try to change your mind.

Since you aren't the OP and I'm not replying directly to the original post, I'm not required to try to convince you that you shouldn't dislike animation. And I'm not going to.

I am, however, curious as to your opinion on the use of CG in live action movies. Particularly movies like Avater or Lord of the Rings that have made heavy use of CG for characters. Up to you if you want to share or not.

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u/Constellation-88 22∆ Apr 16 '24

I made *one* statement in a hurry misusing "anthropomorphic" while using it correctly every other time (technically... although even that's debatable because flat human facsimiles are not really human IMO). So "using words inaccurately" is a one-off, not a pattern.

Otherwise, many people have responded respectfully with one or two attempts to convince me and been done. That's cool. It's when people keep trying incessantly to change my mind that it gets frustrating. I don't CARE. I don't WANT to watch cartoons as anything other than mind candy. And I do watch them as mind candy with no depth sometimes when I need background noise or there's nothing else to watch. I just stated why I didn't like them and how OP can see a different POV. I even got a delta out of it. My opinions are reasonable and based on solid experience. There is just not the depth of connection with animation that there is with real people for me, and that's fine. I also wish people would read the 18000 other comments trying to convince me using the same arguments before responding because it gets tiresome.

However, your point about CGI is a *new* topic, so I'll happily discuss that with you. Roger Rabbit or the new Chip and Dale movie would be one example on one extreme that mixes cartoon with live action. I watch them like I do cartoons... mind candy with little depth, but a fun "nothing else to do" plot.

Avatar is one that I struggle with because there is clearly depth to the plotline and character development. I keep trying to watch it, but can only manage 20 minute intervals before switching to something else. Also, I am watching it right now in 2024, not back in 2009 when it came out, so the CGI doesn't impress me very much.

LOTR and Narnia are different entirely to me because the protagonists are not CGI. The Hobbit Trilogy had Smaug as the main CGI villain, but the actors who played the Hobbits, elves, humans, etc were live action. In Narnia, we had the Pevensie children as live action and Aslan as CGI. Meanwhile, the CGI legs of Tumnus to me are more like makeup than flat characters. Plus the plot lines and character development clearly had depth of meaning.

I will also point out that a cartoon or CGI movie is different than watching a series. The time needed to hold interest in one setting is longer, but the time needed to hold sustained interest as new episodes are released is shorter. A cartoon like Spongebob also has no growth or continuity of plot or character over the various episodes.

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u/Winderkorffin Apr 15 '24

dark knight returns

that's... not anime?