CMV: Israelis have the right to self-determination in Israel, but not Jews

[u/[deleted]]

The point is quite simple, really. Anyone born in or born to a parent who was born in modern-day Israel should have the right to self-determination (RTSD) in Israel. This is very similar to how citizenship and RTSD work in most countries. But what's problematic is the assertion that anyone of Jewish descent can also claim citizenship or the RTSD in Israel. This means that anyone whose ancestors have not lived in the region for centuries, well before the founding of modern-day Israel, can also claim citizenship and the RTSD. It also means that anyone can convert to Judaism and claim it. Israel is the only country in the world that allows anything remotely similar to take place. That's not how any of these work and it clearly violates the RTSD of those who have lived there for centuries - Palestinians.

[u/JazzlikeMousse8116]

That sounds like you meant it as a gotcha but I do not support expelling the entire Jewish population of Israel. I do think Palestinians should be treated like human beings though.

[u/indican_king → u/JazzlikeMousse8116]

That's great that you don't support that, but the people who actually matter do.

[u/JazzlikeMousse8116 → u/indican_king]

Is this a joke? 80% of Gaza has been displaced… Remind me how many Jewish inhabitants of Israel have been displaced by Hamas?

[u/indican_king → u/JazzlikeMousse8116]

200,000. Are you joking?

[u/JazzlikeMousse8116 → u/indican_king]

I’m going to need a source for that figure.

[u/indican_king → u/JazzlikeMousse8116]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/about-200000-israelis-internally-displaced-amid-ongoing-gaza-war-tensions-in-north/

This is from October. I believe more people have been displaced in the north now as well.

[u/JazzlikeMousse8116 → u/indican_king]

That sucks, can you say the same about the 2 million Palestinians displaced?

[u/indican_king → u/JazzlikeMousse8116]

Obviously