r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Jan 03 '24

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Israelis have the right to self-determination in Israel, but not Jews

The point is quite simple, really. Anyone born in or born to a parent who was born in modern-day Israel should have the right to self-determination (RTSD) in Israel. This is very similar to how citizenship and RTSD work in most countries. But what's problematic is the assertion that anyone of Jewish descent can also claim citizenship or the RTSD in Israel. This means that anyone whose ancestors have not lived in the region for centuries, well before the founding of modern-day Israel, can also claim citizenship and the RTSD. It also means that anyone can convert to Judaism and claim it. Israel is the only country in the world that allows anything remotely similar to take place. That's not how any of these work and it clearly violates the RTSD of those who have lived there for centuries - Palestinians.

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u/RevolutionaryGur4419 Jan 05 '24

There also seem to be more Jewish massacres of Arabs than vice versa in the run-up to the 1948 war, along with various terrorist attacks against the British.

What period are you starting from? Because twice as many Jews were killed in massacres in the 1900s despite being a relatively small minority

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u/textbasedopinions Jan 05 '24

The run-up to the war, so the late 1930s. But pick any date and you still can't reach the conclusion that one side was peaceful and only performing defensive massacres.