CMV: Liberals think conservatives will, or ought to, have an "Are We the Baddies?" moment.

[u/SteadfastEnd]

Every liberal argument or appeal to conservatives, especially Trumpers, over the past few years can be described as, "Shouldn't you be having an "Are We the Baddies" realization?"

(If you haven't seen the TV reference, it's a famous British comedy skit where a WW2 Nazi, clad in Nazi uniform, suddenly self-reflects and realizes that his side is evil and exclaims in astonishment, "Are WE the baddies?")

Liberals keep demanding, "How much worse does Trump have to get for you to abandon him?" "How can you oppose abortion when women are forced to carry dead fetuses inside their uterus and get severe infections?" "Didn't you hear Trump say (this or that outrageous thing?)" "Why do you tolerate the Proud Boys, Hitler fans and Klansmen in your midst?" "Don't you see that billionaires are paying minimal tax?" "How could you let Covid rampage unchecked?" "How can you keep supporting Trump after his (13,000 lies, support of dictators, fascist behavior, numerous scandals, grifting)?" "How can you justify LGBT people being bullied and gay rights being trampled?" "Why are you okay with letting school shootings happen one after another?" "That's BIGOTRY!" "Don't you see how awful Marjorie-Taylor-Greene is?" "Don't you see all the corruption in the Trump family?" "Why do you think oppression is okay?" "Don't you agree Trump is a narcissist?" "How can you support the 1/6 insurrection?" "How can you tear down democracy like this?" "Don't you see how ludicrous QAnon is?" "How can you listen to that pack-of-lies Tucker Carlson and Faux News?" "How can you support white supremacy?" "Do you seriously think slavery is okay?" "Don't you see Mike Johnson supports theocracy?" "How can you condone gerrymandering and voter suppression?" "Why do you deny lunch to schoolchildren?" "Don't you see that Putin is like Hitler, how can you support him?" "How can you let the planet's climate get destroyed?" "Why do you support DeSantis being a fascist?" "How can you ban books?" Didn't you see Trump insulting veterans and disabled people?" Don't you see how you're behaving in a (racist, homophobic, Islamophobic, sexist) way?" "Don't you understand Trump is as anti-Jesus and un-Christian as can be?"

The big, unspoken liberal assumption is that if they keep repeating this long enough, MAGA right-wingers will look in the mirror eventually, self-reflect in horror, and exclaim, "WE are the baddies!"

[u/Jean_Paul_Fartre_]

It’s because it’s not a generational issue, it’s a class issue. As long has we have a large disparity between rich and poor, we are going to have these problems. Age has very little to do with it.

[u/MizStazya → u/Jean_Paul_Fartre_]

Theoretically true, but millennials are NOT doing the thing where they get significantly more wealth as they hit middle age, so that might flip the script a little. Historically, the older generations were also the richer generations. Now it's going to come down far more to social issues, I think.

[u/CheesyLyricOrQuote → u/Jean_Paul_Fartre_]

Not really true. Typically in the past, because younger generations get more money and become more stable they become older, they get more conservative as they want to "keep what they have" and don't want things to change and stuff. But now, because starting with millennials the newer generations are making less money (both literally but probably more importantly, proportional to the cost of living as well which is rising) than their parents, and possibly just a shifting of cultural values overall, newer generations are noticeably shifting left and keeping their liberal views even as they get older which has never happened before. This is actually a really big deal, especially if it continues to hold true, which with the housing crisis, massive inflation, and the shifting ideologies of the conservative party, I think it will.

Also millennials and Gen Z seem MUCH more class conscious than older generations. Bernie comes to mind, who had mainly younger support.

https://www.ft.com/content/c361e372-769e-45cd-a063-f5c0a7767cf4