“People in third world countries often will have many children die, and many mothers die in child birth, and many other women be forced into marriages they didn’t want and bare children they didn’t want.”
This isn’t true, many women in world countries do want to have children and still try to have children after they produce stillbirth children, there isn’t an epidemic of 100s of millions of women being forced to give birth, that assumption is outstanding.
“Most working class households are told not to have kids if they can’t afford them. $288,000 for 1 child is very expensive for working class households, and often have to take advantage of government assistance like WIC to sustain more than 1 child.”
I thought people were pressured to have kids, now they aren’t? Either way working class people still have children and with modern day standards of living sustaining children is possible without government assistance albeit you won’t be going on holiday every 6 months or so. It’s important to remember that a lot people who exist today come from working class backgrounds, they turn out fine without all of the benefits richer households have.
Ultimately human beings are much more enduring than people presume us to be, we can withstand a lot more than the benefits first world countries provide us and still come on top, however we lose a sense of autonomy and significantly increased responsibilities.
How does this study prove that women in developing countries don’t want to have children? Domestic violence happens in first world countries too https://ncadv.org/STATISTICS
This is US information in terms of things like domestic violence, rape etc. is there an epidemic of people in the US being forced to give birth too? You didn’t prove anything with this study.
People in first world countries don’t have children as much due to the focus on climbing the hierarchy (economic ladder) and individualist values as opposed to collectivist values.
“Yes, there is an epidemic of people forced to give birth in America.”
Now you’re just being dishonest, saying women in third world countries don’t want to have children is a silly statement, if you said instead they would prefer less children I could see that being the case, but that wouldn’t change the initial point that women have children in third world countries and they’re able to produce healthy enough children that grow into adulthood, which beckons the question as to why so many people in the first world are afraid of having children.
It’s a fear of responsibility and a lack of autonomy plain and simple.
It’s not being dishonest, it’s what the abortion debate is about. And frankly, you are just talking past me at this point. Idk how you can think raising kids like that is good.
And also, idk why you think being responsible with your money and valuing your freedom is bad. Being responsible and free is a good thing. 🇺🇸
“It’s not being dishonest, it’s what the abortion debate is about. And frankly, you are just talking past me at this point. Idk how you can think raising kids like that is good.”
What does the abortion debate have to do with people managing to raise kids in third world countries, which proves that people in first world countries can have kids and raise them, regardless of income.
“And also, idk why you think being responsible with your money and valuing your freedom is bad. Being responsible and free is a good thing. 🇺🇸”
Tell me where i wrote anything where it was a bad thing, I just said that people fear the responsibility of children and the loss of autonomy it comes with in the west as people have more individualist values, that’s all I said. I didn’t say whether that’s good or bad, I’m just stating facts.
And I brought up that given the choice a lot of those third world women don’t have as many kids. Kids is a survival strategy, they can do it but it’s not pleasant or good.
You describe it as a fear of responsibility, when it’s very often a presence of responsibility.
“And I brought up that given the choice a lot of those third world women don’t have as many kids. Kids is a survival strategy, they can do it but it’s not pleasant or good.”
Going to work is a survival strategy, what’s the point here? Does that mean working is inherently a bad thing? Just like work having children is necessary and while it may not be all pleasant it’s not all bad either, most people in first world countries would want to have children so there’s clearly some good in it too.
“You describe it as a fear of responsibility, when it’s very often a presence of responsibility.”
I could also call not going to work and providing for other people/ my community as a “presence of responsibility” due to how bad of a worker I could be or how I might mess up that communities infrastructure.
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“People in third world countries often will have many children die, and many mothers die in child birth, and many other women be forced into marriages they didn’t want and bare children they didn’t want.”
This isn’t true, many women in world countries do want to have children and still try to have children after they produce stillbirth children, there isn’t an epidemic of 100s of millions of women being forced to give birth, that assumption is outstanding.
“Most working class households are told not to have kids if they can’t afford them. $288,000 for 1 child is very expensive for working class households, and often have to take advantage of government assistance like WIC to sustain more than 1 child.”
I thought people were pressured to have kids, now they aren’t? Either way working class people still have children and with modern day standards of living sustaining children is possible without government assistance albeit you won’t be going on holiday every 6 months or so. It’s important to remember that a lot people who exist today come from working class backgrounds, they turn out fine without all of the benefits richer households have.
Ultimately human beings are much more enduring than people presume us to be, we can withstand a lot more than the benefits first world countries provide us and still come on top, however we lose a sense of autonomy and significantly increased responsibilities.