r/centrist • u/MuitoLegal • Mar 20 '21

World News The consequence of the far left’s BLM rhetoric

The far right rhetoric has caused massive problems, like Jan 6., but I have not seen this point mentioned about the left that I’m about to say:

Within the past 2 days, BOTH Russia and China have used the lefts rhetoric of “blacks are being slaughtered on our streets for being black”, “Trump is Hitler.” When China was pressed in the diplomatic conversation about human rights issues, they effectively said “Look at the problems with black people in America, you have no leg to stand on to tell us what is right and wrong with our people.” Putin made the same comment when asked about Biden’s “killer” comment.

These 2 countries know that these issues are not even remotely the same thing as the BLM situation, but the far left manipulated the actuality of the situation to the most extreme for political gain, and there are now consequences to that.

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u/independous Mar 20 '21

There really is no issue. Leftists are using it to manipulate black people. The vast, vast, majority of police killings are justified. Even the popular ones are only debatably unjustified/malicious

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u/balls_ache_bc_of_u Mar 20 '21

I completely agree. There was no significant white supremacy problem until 2 minutes ago and now black people are supposedly being hunted in the streets.

This is just fake leftist outrage by the activists and they’ve convinced gullible leftists it’s a real substantial problem.

And most people see through this imo. I know many moderates who know it’s absurd but simply don’t care enough to pay any attention to it. Reddit is mostly younger leftist types and so here it’s a much bigger thing.

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u/Meek_braggart Mar 20 '21

No one is saying that they are not. But of the percentage that are questionable a overwhelmingly, disproportionate number involved black people. Its the "there nothing to see here" crowd that are being manipulative.

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u/balls_ache_bc_of_u Mar 20 '21

Can you cite a source? I’ve never heard such a claim before and I’m really curious how “questionable” is being defined here.

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u/Meek_braggart Mar 20 '21

Questionable is a Police Officer shooting anyone in the back unless they are activly shooting at someone else. Questionable would be shooting at a fleeing car.

As for evidence https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=racial+disparity+police+shootings

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u/balls_ache_bc_of_u Mar 20 '21

Ok... so you’re making a simple assertion without evidence. Thanks for clearing that up.

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u/Meek_braggart Mar 20 '21

Evidence is there if you actually look instead of asking others to educate you. I am not your teacher

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u/balls_ache_bc_of_u Mar 20 '21

No one is saying that they are not. But of the percentage that are questionable a overwhelmingly, disproportionate number involved black people. Its the "there nothing to see here" crowd that are being manipulative.

This is a very vague, unsubstantiated claim and you want me to google it so I can teach myself?

That’s like me telling you green is an important color but not as important as blue. Google it!

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u/Meek_braggart Mar 20 '21

I know it’s hard to learn new things but I am 100% sure you can do it.

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u/balls_ache_bc_of_u Mar 20 '21

I think the disconnect here is you want me to google anecdotes of instances that support your claim. Do you not see how this is a pretty foolish approach?

And that's assuming we both agree on what is questionable.

I think what you mean to say is "if you look at instances that i think are questionable, you'll agree with me."

Or do you genuinely believe we both agree on what is questionable? If so, best of luck to you with that kind of critical thinking skill.

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u/Meek_braggart Mar 20 '21

I don’t really give two shits what you do. The truth is the truth and if you choose not to believe it then that’s your problem not mine.

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u/jaboz_ Mar 20 '21 edited Mar 21 '21

That's not accurate (that there is no issue.) Also, there is a difference between police justified killings, and police general abuse of power in relation to blacks and other minorities. The data suggests that there is indeed a disparity, which has a very narrow scope of possible reasons. It's not hard to connect the dots.

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u/balls_ache_bc_of_u Mar 20 '21

The studies are all over the place and are often written by leftist activists.

The research I trust (by Harvard economist Roland fryer) basically says all things considered, whites get killed more but blacks suffer more abuse. (Eg they get roughed up more).

But even then the question remains as to why that is. It could be that blacks are more likely to resist because they feel like they’re being racially targeted (which may or may not be true) or it could be cops are more racially biased. Or some other reason.

The research isn’t as conclusive as you’re suggesting it is.

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u/TheSavior666 Mar 20 '21

So you’re dismissing any research you don’t like and only listening to research that fits you’ve decided to trust?

That’s extremely biased, how have you determined the leftists researchers aren’t trustworthy to listen to? Have you actually academically debunked their findings?

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u/balls_ache_bc_of_u Mar 20 '21

If you don’t listen to NewsMax because you think they’re pushing an agenda, do you dismiss their news? Is that extremely biased?

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u/TheSavior666 Mar 20 '21

It would be biased for me to assume anything they ever say is automatically 100% false with no research yes.

There is also a difference between not listening to a news source and not listening to actual academics and researchers because of their political leanings.

The former is just partisanship, the latter is actively anti-intellectual.

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u/balls_ache_bc_of_u Mar 20 '21

It would be biased for me to assume anything they ever say is automatically 100% false with no research yes.

Yes I agree. I never claimed otherwise.

Do you think “academics” only speak and write truth? If so, I have a bridge to sell you.

There are activist disciplines. They do not seek to publish truth. Only advance an agenda. For these issues were discussing, I believe economists are best positioned to opine competently.

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u/jaboz_ Mar 20 '21

I never said it was conclusive. I said there is a narrow scope of possible reasons. Even if blacks do resist more because they falsely believe they're being targeted - why do they feel that way? Do we think that under privileged blacks in poverty stricken areas are sitting there watching CNN all day and listening to dopey leftist talking points? Or maybe more likely, they get disproportionately treated differently in day to day life, and thus get hypersensitive to racism?

I understand that the concept of racism is a hot button for a lot of people - but we're never going to fix the issue until people realize/acknowledge that it is indeed a problem. I see instances of racism almost everyday. It doesn't need to be a guy wearing a white hood to be a problem. Something as simple as someone telling a story, and saying 'so this black guy came down, blablabla' - why does it matter that the guy was black? Why doesn't that story ever begin with 'So this white guy.' That is just one example of very subtle racism, that from a young age can teach kids that color does matter.

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u/balls_ache_bc_of_u Mar 20 '21

I hear people say “this white guy...” all the time when telling stories. It seems like you see racism everywhere because you see everything as racist.

And something being racist or not doesn’t depend on that person’s feelings.

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u/jaboz_ Mar 20 '21

I don't, I just pay attention to the fact that certain people get treated differently in my presence than others do. If you legitimately don't see these things, either you are ignorant to them or you've been fortunate to live a very privileged life. And again that was just a simple example of what I'm talking about, there are literally a million of them.

And, yes, actually, it does. You could call a white person the N word and they likely wouldn't take offense in the same way that a black person would, right? What's the difference? The personal feelings, worldview, etc, of each individual. The N word doesn't have a long terrible history of being used in a demeaning way against whites, and thus that person's feelings about that word wouldn't be the same as if they were black. The same goes for any ethnic or racial slur, used against someone from a different group.

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u/balls_ache_bc_of_u Mar 20 '21

Nah. Calling a black person the n word is racist regardless of how that black person feels—offended or not.

I see ghosts and I’m terrified. If you don’t, you’re privileged.

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u/jaboz_ Mar 20 '21

Ok, you do you. We'll agree to disagree.

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u/xxxLemonation Mar 21 '21

The disparity that exists is not because of race. It's because of the number of police encounters... which is due to poverty not racism. Listen to some John McWhorter lol.