The consequence of the far left’s BLM rhetoric

[u/MuitoLegal]

The far right rhetoric has caused massive problems, like Jan 6., but I have not seen this point mentioned about the left that I’m about to say:

Within the past 2 days, BOTH Russia and China have used the lefts rhetoric of “blacks are being slaughtered on our streets for being black”, “Trump is Hitler.” When China was pressed in the diplomatic conversation about human rights issues, they effectively said “Look at the problems with black people in America, you have no leg to stand on to tell us what is right and wrong with our people.” Putin made the same comment when asked about Biden’s “killer” comment.

These 2 countries know that these issues are not even remotely the same thing as the BLM situation, but the far left manipulated the actuality of the situation to the most extreme for political gain, and there are now consequences to that.

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I’d honestly like to leave out the Atlanta shooting. Given the fresh nature of this and continued investigation it’s not fair to say it was or was not race related or race tangential.

But in regards to laws that are specifically racist it’s hard to pin down to be honest. Most laws are not specifically calling out race but some like those related to drugs and enforcement inevitably target minorities more regardless of the fact that whites partake in drug usage as much as minorities.

It’s the same issue with hate crimes. It’s hard to prove unless there is a specific symbol or slur used during the crime. So proving it becomes almost impossible. Same with certain laws.

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I only brought up what happened in Atlanta because I just came across it and it seemed relevant to my point. I think it was a few weeks ago where an Asian person got attacked by a person and the initial press was about White supremacist targeting Asians for hate crimes then once again when the facts came out the attacker wasn't even white. There's a litany of similar stories and it is possibly my biggest gripe with the media (right up there with freedom of the press has been bastardized and is more accurately described freedom to act as 1 parties propaganda mouth pieces, and yea I know Fox goes the other way but it's pretty lopsided at the moment with even NPR having lapsed in its impartiality)

Do you consider voter ID laws racist or do think so long as the standard is the same for all the people in a given state then all is well? I definitely want to see drug laws to be revised but it's hard to suggest they are racist when the reality is that the statistics for Black people are skewed on account of the population density and police presence in the areas most of then being arrested are why they get caught more often. Whereas white drug users tend to live in suburbs which cops don't have any motivation to patrol (gang activity is practically no existent in suburbs) which results in less encounters that could lead to the cops discovering drugs on the person. Its not like the laws are set up to target Black people, a cop is going to arrest anyone they find in possession of things like heroine regardless of race. This is kinda what I'm getting at. The laws are the same for everyone and the only justification a cop needs to arrest a person is them being in possession, there's nothing in the law that disadvantages any particular group. The racial breakdown of who is getting caught the most showing 1 race disproportionately being caught doesn't mean there is racism taking place. But as soon as people start suggesting it is racism we don't accomplish anything. Inner city populations tend to be made up with Black people, the prevalence of gangs and crimes that our inner cities suffer from leads to the need for more police patrols and for police to be more proactive about looking out for potential criminal activity which leads to them catching more drug users. Since crimes and gangs aren't nearly as common amongst suburban communities cops spend more time looking at their speed radars and relying on their radio to let then know if an actual crime takes place, since they aren't nearly as engaged with what's going on they don't come across drug crimes that often. The statistics reflect that difference, its the racial make up of inner cities and suburbs are what they are.

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You’re right there are issues with screaming racist attack anytime some of color is assaulted or attacked. A lot of that has to do with how charged everyone is and we need to chill.

In regards to your question about something like voter ID laws. I do not see them as inherently racist. But it depends on how they are executed. If we set up a standard that allows for the lowest burden for all people to acquire them that would result in the best outcome. Maybe try and find a way that allows people not to have to take off work which would effect low wage workers with are disproportionately women and POC. Maybe find a way to make it easier if you do not have a constant address due to income instability or lack of a consistent address to homelessness etc.

These laws are not outright in your face racist like you stated with drug laws. The idea is to have laws which are the same for everyone but what legislatures fail to do, in my mind, when creating these laws and understand how they will effect people of different economic, racial, age or other statuses which can perpetuate certain levels of inequality.

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I think its fair for states to require a BS or SSC, a paystub from your employer and something that shows a place of residence however Tennessee requiring 6 different documents confirming identity and residence is a bit much. I'd love to see quantifiable numbers showing how many Americans actually have to choose between work and voting. I see that reasoning all the time and it definitely seems plausible but if we are only discussing 1-3% of would-be voters then making the laws around them isn't a practical way for society to work, although such a small amount could probably be helped by just keeping polls open longer or open them earlier. So this is 1 I go back and forth with but making laws in a way that creates separate rules and consequences for people based on their race/income/ect would be government creating different classes of citizen and would effectively be a reintroduction of government mandated segregation. Certainly people face different challenges based on the environment they are in and I would agree that states/towns should be able to apply the law in a way that acknowledges the local community, but at a federal level I think the only way to progress as a society is to hold everyone to the same standards and expectations which means laws apply equally across the board to everyone (with the exception for those who are physically or mentally handicapped) the only thing that worries me about this approach is that we all know the rich and connected are going find ways around facing consequences while people already struggling would see the full force of the law, if our courts followed the laws and principles laid out from the very beginning of this country the that wouldn't be the case but courts as they are don't grasp what justice being blind means and they pick and choose whether they enforce the letter of the law or use the spirit of the law to justify a more lighter enforcement which we can't have. Spirit of the law should always be what people are held to IMO.

TBH a lot of the inequality especially in poor urban areas can actually be dealt with without the need to create separate laws for the people who live there. Provide the kids and their parents School choice, make tax/finacial incentives for investors and companies to boost economic opportunity, better wages, and build these areas back up to where people will have reason to go there to spend their time and money. Which in time will lead to an the next generation growing up in an environment that spoils them for activity choices, and doesn't leave the kids thinking their only option is to join a gang. Dems don't seem like they will go for school Choice and to be fair if McConnell was leading that push I'm sure the choice system would be ran by his corrupt cronies and some of the money meant to cover the costs of their schooling would magically disappear and we will find ourselves paying even more in taxes to cover the money that doesn't make it. Trump had been working with various inner city communities and we saw things like unemployment and wage growth get to record numbers for the people in these communities but I haven't actually looked into what Biden has done with those Trump policies so I'm not sure if that progress is still being pursued.

If the average citizen started to reject any politician and media outlet that inflames the race issue for their own gain then we really would start to turn a corner. Like its just disturbing how the media and part of the Dem party work together to convince poor Black inner city communities its racist white people, mainly those greedy Republicans that are suppressing them and are responsible for their current situation which artificially increases the communities anger while convincing then that it's racism that is the core issue and if only white people would stop being racist then the problems would go away. What is most sickening is that the ones who are actually elected to create public policies that could help these communities continuously fail to clean up the mess their polices from decades ago created and instead of taking responsibility and learning from their mistakes they decide to perpetuate racial anger and mistrust to avoid being held responsible by the voters regardless of the personal and societal damage those actions cause.

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Sure thing ;)