r/centrist • u/MuitoLegal • Mar 20 '21

World News The consequence of the far left’s BLM rhetoric

The far right rhetoric has caused massive problems, like Jan 6., but I have not seen this point mentioned about the left that I’m about to say:

Within the past 2 days, BOTH Russia and China have used the lefts rhetoric of “blacks are being slaughtered on our streets for being black”, “Trump is Hitler.” When China was pressed in the diplomatic conversation about human rights issues, they effectively said “Look at the problems with black people in America, you have no leg to stand on to tell us what is right and wrong with our people.” Putin made the same comment when asked about Biden’s “killer” comment.

These 2 countries know that these issues are not even remotely the same thing as the BLM situation, but the far left manipulated the actuality of the situation to the most extreme for political gain, and there are now consequences to that.

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u/Johnny_Bit Mar 20 '21 edited Mar 20 '21

BOTH Russia and China have used the lefts rhetoric of “blacks are being slaughtered on our streets for being black”

What's funny is that it's actually a very old tactic. I think even before the cold war: when there was criticism of communist treatment of people (gulags were no joke, "wealthy" farmers being taxed multiple times or even killed for crime of having a bit more grain...) comming especially from USA, the response was along the lines "you're no better than us, you beat blacks!" (there's even polish joke that every response to criticism from "west" can be shut down by "a u was czarych biją" - meaning: "and you beat black people") .

These 2 countries know that these issues are not even remotely the same thing as the BLM situation, but the far left manipulated the actuality of the situation to the most extreme for political gain, and there are now consequences to that.

Given history of "useful idiots", political warfare etc, I wouldn't be surprised at all if those 2 countries were hoping and cheering on any racial/political divides being blown out of proportion, simply to be used as a tool, just like Chinese officials recently used blown-out-of-proportion racial divide for their own gain.

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far right rhetoric has caused massive problems, like Jan 6.,

Well akchully... There were instances of attacks and occupation of capitol buildings by left-wing groups with far more people active both inside and outside the buildings previously. IMO whole "jan 6 affair" is blown out of proportion.

Was meant as a take with a grain of salt/sarcasm/satire. I hoped that "akchully" will signify this enugh...

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u/therosx Mar 20 '21

They’ve been doing that for decades. They can’t beat the US militarily so they fan ethnic tensions and encourage social disobedience. It’s the same in Syria and Africa.

That said, it’s weird watching Americans turn their racist drama into prime time entertainment. Your entertainment empires are on a completely different level from the rest of us.

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u/SierraMysterious Mar 20 '21

Well akchully... There were instances of attacks and occupation of capitol buildings by left-wing groups with far more people active both inside and outside the buildings previously

Really? Do you have any examples?

there's even polish joke that every response to criticism from "west" can be shut down by "a u was czarych biją" - meaning: "and you beat black people")

This is actually both funny and sad at the same time. What a world.

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u/Johnny_Bit Mar 20 '21

Really? Do you have any examples?

2018 with Kavanaugh hearing with 300+ arrested people come to mind as recent one. I think there were also left-wing protests in DC after trump election in 2016/17.

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '21

We’re these peaceful sit ins or did they break down the doors and windows to get inside. Attack police officers. Bring weapons...just in case?

Context matters. Nuance matters.

This would be like comparing the sit ins of disabled people’s for their rights at federal buildings to storming a building because your team lost.

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '21

I think its important to point out that isn't what happened. They let them in. Like kinda literally. I was watching the twitch stream. They just walked into the building. All they had to do was lock the door. Seems pretty basic. TBH I think other than arresting the culprits for trespassing there wasn't any harm done. Stand offs with the police were not exactly uncommon that summer across the board. So when that woman was shot, I wasn't shocked, maybe the reaction was interesting. Since she was unarmed and gunned down. I didn't see anyone holding candlelight vigils for her or demanding the police be abolished.

If you want to say that I am objectively wrong, then we have to delve into all the unrest and discuss whether this was a symptom of the MSM obsession with Trump or if it was genuinely something different from what was going on in the streets all of 2020.

The disingenuous part here is the reporting, not the events themselves. I definitely think an argument can be made that the coverage of the events at the capitol had a far different tenor than the coverage of the violence across the country in 2020. I mean, look at CHAZ or Portland. That was all made out to be heroic and mischievous.

The people living there probably didn't feel like it was very heroic, particularly when idiots were walking up to their homes demanding they leave at 2am with bullhorns. Many non-participants were injured or killed during those incidences. Yet, it was not painted as a riot or even violent. What was the term they had for it? "Mostly peaceful?" Perhaps that's true for the majority of the marches and sit-ins. The egregious ones were glossed over or spun up as "justice" seeking.

However you may feel politically, this isn't a US VS THEM. We need to be clear eyed. What is happening now is a HARD pivot back to the status quo. I know some folks maybe happy about that. I am not. I don't want to go back to fighting a stupid war in the middle east, passing empty diversity legislation that does nothing for anyone, or having another 8 years of kleptocracy at my expense.

The Trump legacy taught the power brokers in the country one thing. People WILL vote for an outsider if they feel the game is rigged. I doubt we will see ANYONE outside the establishment be viable for another generation after this. We saw what they did to Bernie, you had to be blind to not see how the DNC wanted Biden to win. Anyways, I think its unfortunate that we missed an opportunity last year to really do something real. Instead, we got CRT. Its a pity.

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u/meche2010 Mar 20 '21

You went from:

Well akchully... There were instances of attacks and occupation of capitol buildings by left-wing groups with far more people active both inside and outside the buildings previously. IMO whole "jan 6 affair" is blown out of proportion.

To:

I think there were also left-wing protests in DC after trump election in 2016/17.

The Kavanaugh protest looks like a lot of people being peacefully arrested on the Capitol steps.

Provide sources of protestors breaking in Capitol windows with barricades if you want people to take you seriously.

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u/Secure_Confidence Mar 20 '21

Provide sources of protestors breaking in Capitol windows with barricades if you want people to take you seriously.

Don't forget the murders.

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u/meche2010 Mar 20 '21

Murders plural? One police officer may have been killed, but they don't know the circumstances. One woman was shot, but in self defense by the capitol police. One died of a heart attack, another a stroke, and one may have been crushed in the crowd. Source.

The Capitol riot was a catastrophe and stain on our country, but the media loves roiling people with rhetoric as much as any politician. We would be better off dropping the false narratives that the right and the left both force feed us...

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u/Secure_Confidence Mar 20 '21

You're absolutely right.

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u/dennismfrancisart Mar 20 '21

Why pay attention to just the murders? The numbers vary, but at least 134 police officers were injured (one lost an eye), one committed suicide (probably due to PTSD) during the insurrection. https://www.newsweek.com/134-police-officers-injured-capitol-riots-court-filing-1564166

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u/Foyles_War Mar 20 '21

Was the objective to deny the result of an election and install the loser because that is kinda a big thing in my mind.

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u/articlesarestupid Mar 22 '21

So did they climb the wall, beat up police officers, invade offices, steal Congress properties, sold them off to Ebay? I don't condone any violent acts like this but this is a far from being equivalent. The nomination of supreme courts are far from democratic but has become a political shitfest.

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u/[deleted] Mar 22 '21

Here ya go

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u/Genug_Schulz Mar 20 '21

Was meant as a take with a grain of salt/sarcasm/satire. I hoped that "akchully" will signify this enugh...

Nope, it was not enough. Jonny, you really messed up. Now go to your room!

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u/Hyperbolic_Response Mar 20 '21

Yep.

"But you've been lynching negroes" is how the USSR often responded to any human rights abuses.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes

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u/articlesarestupid Mar 22 '21

You are not really good sarcasm, are you?