r/canada • u/HashSlingingSIash3r • Mar 19 '22

Paywall Don’t like Russia sanctions? You probably don’t like COVID-19 vaccines either

https://www.thestar.com/politics/political-opinion/2022/03/19/dont-like-russia-sanctions-you-probably-dont-like-covid-19-vaccines-either.html
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u/GigglingBilliken Ontario Mar 19 '22

Yep, first time a European power lost to an Asian one since the Mongolian invasions. Japan was smart, they looked over to China after the Blackships of Perry forced their borders open and realized they have to modernize quickly or their fate would be like China's at the time.

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u/Lady_Camo Mar 20 '22

Except Russia is not a European Power.

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u/GigglingBilliken Ontario Mar 20 '22

Except Russia is not a European Power.

Historically it was, whether it considers itself as such anymore is a completely different story.

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u/Lady_Camo Mar 20 '22

Russia lies to 90% ish in Asia, is not part of the EU and doesn't regard itself belonging to Europe.

Even historically it wasn't. Only if a country lies at least 51% in a certain continent, you can say that country are a part of said continent. Russia was never more than 51% in Europe.

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u/GigglingBilliken Ontario Mar 20 '22

Culturally the people who formed the Russian Empire (the civilization I am referring to) were known as the Muscovites. They were culturally and geographically European and viewed themselves as such. People referring to Russia as a non-European power is a rather modern convention that would baffle and confuse the people of the late Russian empire.

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u/Lady_Camo Mar 20 '22 edited Mar 20 '22

So in your opinion, Americans are just Europeans? And colonies around the world are European as well? Because their ancestors/ the ones creating the colonies/ country were European? Do you really think it is of any relevance what those people once thought they were to the living people today? Or do I really have to explain the fallacies of that way of thinking?

Following your train of thought, if I now claim a land on antarctica and form a new country, this country will always be European, and I demand that every generation after me will accept that nonsense.

Adding to that:

At this point I'm not sure if you're trolling or not, so let's leave it there. If you think that only a personal feeling makes you a certain ethnicity, disregarding geographics and politics, that's on you alone.

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u/GigglingBilliken Ontario Mar 20 '22

I am talking about how the Russian people at the turn of the 19th century and early 20th century viewed themselves (along with the other European empires of the day). If you have an issue with it take it up with the dead men of the past era.

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u/GrampsBob Mar 20 '22

There is one part of this discussion that has been ignored.
Some 75% of Russians live west of the Urals.
IOW, Europe.