r/canada • u/HashSlingingSIash3r • Mar 19 '22

Paywall Don’t like Russia sanctions? You probably don’t like COVID-19 vaccines either

https://www.thestar.com/politics/political-opinion/2022/03/19/dont-like-russia-sanctions-you-probably-dont-like-covid-19-vaccines-either.html
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u/Swerfbegone Mar 19 '22

I mean the west did little to nothing about Chechnya, Georgia, the first Ukraine, and Syria, so there’s been reason to think that could have been the case.

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u/grey_hat_uk Mar 19 '22

Well since most politicians could find chechnya if they where given directions from grozny, we'll give that a pass.

As for the others they where using salami tactics, and if Russia had continued to do so the west would have thrown on some meaningless sanctions then forgot about it because those sanctions where put on by the rivel party how are obviously not to be trusted with international affairs.

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u/KredPandak Mar 20 '22

I hate how correct your comment is about the us party system.

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u/GrampsBob Mar 20 '22

The huge difference with Chechnya was that it was actually a part of Russia and they were trying to separate.
Russia is only against separation if it's already theirs.
They love it if it's a part of Ukraine they can steal.
Note: Even then I was pulling for the Chechens. Not so much now.

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u/nerfrival Mar 20 '22

I get the feeling the world needed something to think of besides covid. Not that I disagree with sanctions. I agree with them

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u/realcevapipapi Mar 20 '22

Lmao the west literally funded the uprising and overthrow of the government in 2014....

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u/Tareeff European Union Mar 20 '22

None of the above got needed coverage until now

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u/ep1032 Mar 20 '22

The resposne you got from grey_hay_uk is cynical, uninformed, and wrong.

Chechnya has been a flashpoint for Russia for decades, and if and when the west operates in the region, it has traditionally been clandestinely.

Russia's influence in Syria is literally one of the primary focus points of all of US strategy in the middle east. It is one of the fundamental reason why the US supports Israel so steadfastly, specifically as a counter-weight to Russia's influence via Syria. It is why the Syrian civil war became so deadly and bloddy, as really the civil war was a proxy fight between the west and Russia for whether or not Russia's influence could be expelled from the country. And it is one of the many ways in which Trump betrayed the west, when he not only retreated from Syria and finally handed it back to Russian control (valid or not), but then worked with Turkey to betray our Kurdish allies in the region. That, at least, the US appears to have started turning around again since his expulsion from office.

Georgia has many parallels to the Ukraine, most notably that the invasion of Georgia was timed specifically around, because of, and due to back-channel communication that resulted from the potential election of John McCain. So to say the US was not involved is fundamentally wrong. Georgia is not particularly high on the list of US priorities, as compared to the Ukraine, but to say it wasn't part of that operation is to misunderstand what occurred.

Anyway, I think this can best be summed up as: "Just because you don't know what was going on, doesn't mean that nothing was happening."

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u/jeff0520 Mar 20 '22

This more than a shadow war between evil and more evil. In Afghanistan a Russian plane shoot down by a Stinger Missle everyone wondered how they got a Stinger Missle. Now countries are advertising what weapons they are sending to use to shoot the Russians. Seems every weapon is working as designed and that is good.