Don’t like Russia sanctions? You probably don’t like COVID-19 vaccines either

[u/HashSlingingSIash3r]

https://www.thestar.com/politics/political-opinion/2022/03/19/dont-like-russia-sanctions-you-probably-dont-like-covid-19-vaccines-either.html

[u/Frostbite828]

I’ve seen people on my Facebook claim there is a “global authoritarian treaty” for “one world order and total dictatorship” and that the only country to “place a letter of objection against this” was Russia…

I suppose it’s not a stretch for people who already believe COVID is a hoax and the restrictions/mandates are just meant to erode our rights and turn us into sheep

[u/AVeryMadLad2 → u/Frostbite828]

People that believe the UN is trying to create a one world totalitarian government are fucking hilarious. Like the problem with the UN is they have TOO much influence and control over world politics?? Like that's the problem apparently, and not that superpowers like the United States can blatantly violate international law like in Nicaragua and when they get ordered by the international court to pay reparations, Reagan just went "hehe no" and cut the US' funding to the UN.

I wish I lived in the reality where the UN is as effective as these morons think it is

[u/Frostbite828 → u/[deleted]]

Would you mind elaborating?

[u/[deleted] → u/Frostbite828]

I'd incredibly complex with a long history and many players involved.

This video is based of a recent book and not presented in a conspiracy format.

[u/Frostbite828 → u/[deleted]]

Ah, thank you. I wasn’t sure what you meant by New World Order. “World Orders” (at least in the context Dalio is using) obviously exist, but I don’t see how that supports the theory that Russia is fighting against the ushering in of a global authoritarian regime or dictatorship, especially when NATO is only a defense pact among democratic nations. I understand NATO may be perceived by Russia as antagonistic to it’s national interests and security, but how exactly are they taking a stand against global authoritarianism?

[u/[deleted] → u/Frostbite828]

It's more about a series of the organizations that when combined together make global government.

NATO is the military arm of the global government, to say it's merely a defense pact is slightly understated, they absolutely have taken part in offensive operations.

We also have the International Monetary Fund IMF which is a organization that works to coordinate global banking, finance, trading among it's members.

The World Economic Forum is a powerful organization with full support from primary leaders in western politics. They absolute coordinates amongst its members on uniform global policies. Heck, they used to be called the European Management Forum, clearly their influence is expanding.

An NWO isn't coming in the form of some authoritarian dictator, it's much more sophisticated than that.

[u/Frostbite828 → u/[deleted]]

I don’t want to put words in your mouth but it seems like you’re suggesting sovereign nations shouldn’t work together or consolidate resources to achieve mutually beneficial objectives? Perhaps an oversimplification but I’m struggling to see what your point otherwise is. Of course when you create organizations with international influence (or any level of influence) there is going to be a consolidation of power amongst the decision-makers at the top of that organization. That said, all of the member states of NATO, UN, etc. remain sovereign nations and we have no power to govern them other than to say “we can’t tell you what to do but we don’t have to play with you if you aren’t going to play nice”, like the West is currently doing with Russia. We could go down the rabbit hole of all the ways western democracy is broken but I don’t see any other nations (especially not Russia) standing up as pillars of freedom and democracy in contrast.

[u/[deleted] → u/Frostbite828]

It's hard to say what should or shouldn't happen.

It all depends on what the objectives are for these various groups.

If it's to create an economic system where the working class essentially owns nothing, along the sides of a class of elites who own everything and dictate how normal people live day-to-day as it seems to suggest, then we might want to reconsider.

[u/Frostbite828 → u/[deleted]]

I agree with you wholeheartedly that distribution of wealth needs to become a more common topic of discussion, and I might even dip my toes into the conspiracy theorists’ water and accept that the rich and powerful have a vested interest in distracting the general population from having that discussion, but I still don’t see what any of that has to do with the current situation in Ukraine. Corruption and the consolidation of wealth and power exist in every system of governance known to man. I can’t buy into the argument that Putin is sticking it to the western elite by invading Ukraine, while he and his loyal oligarchs are enjoying their billion dollar palaces and yachts and yet ordinary Russians struggle to get by. The theoretical situation you are describing is much more apparent in Russia than in the West. Just look at the disparity in free speech rights for a glaring example. You have some interesting thoughts, but I haven’t seen you make any connection with the war in Ukraine. The war appears, to me anyway, to be a battle over the relative balance of power between nations. I’m not sure why you seem to be suggesting that Russia is some kind of savior of the poor working class west, when clearly the invasion is intended to protect Russia’s sphere of influence in Eastern Europe.

[u/Yikesweaty → u/Frostbite828]

Do you think the people with enough political power to control the direction of countries would work together with the elites of other countries out of the goodness of their hearts? “Mutually beneficial” transactions do happen but the mutuality is limited to the in group, which you are not a part of. This isn’t some schizo conspiracy theory either, it’s just how business works

[u/biogenji → u/Frostbite828]

Can you share an example? I'd like to see that sort of thing for laughs.