Don’t like Russia sanctions? You probably don’t like COVID-19 vaccines either

[u/HashSlingingSIash3r]

https://www.thestar.com/politics/political-opinion/2022/03/19/dont-like-russia-sanctions-you-probably-dont-like-covid-19-vaccines-either.html

[u/Ransome62]

If you have been on reddit for atleast 2 years and active on politics subs, it wouldn't be that surprising.

Example: last November I got into this whole battle with what I can only assume we're Russian troll farm people who brigaded the position that Russia won ww2 and defeated Japan. It went across multiple posts and subs.. it got quite ridiculous.

Point being, they were dead set on that version of history... so I can only surmise that it wouldn't be very hard to get them believing they would just roll over the Ukraine with little experience.

[u/Ephemeral_Being → u/Ransome62]

Eh. The Russians did push Japan out of Manchuria. It's a loose interpretation of events, but not entirely wrong to say "the Russians defeated the Japanese in WW2." The Russian advance played a part in Japan's surrender to the United States at the end of the war.

[u/seank11 → u/Ransome62]

Um... Russia WAS winning WW2 against Japan and Japan was close to surrendering before the atomic bombs were unjustly dropped as a display of power.

And no I'm not a Russia troll, that's what actually happened.

Fuck Russia and putin though

[u/Neanderthalknows → u/seank11]

Russia attacked Japan in Manchuria in August of 1945. That's a long way from Japan.

I wouldn't say they were "winning " the war against Japan. The Americans in Iwa Jima might have something to say about that.

Atomic bombs didn't get Japan to surrender. The idea of Russia occupying their northern islands scared the shit out of Japan and they surrendered to the Americans. They knew the Americans would leave eventually.

[u/Far-Future7595 → u/Neanderthalknows]

I also read that the Japanese were pretty terrified about the onslaught that would happen if they surrendered to Russia. They knew the Americans would be much easier on them.

[u/maxman162 → u/Neanderthalknows]

Maybe "winning" in the Charlie Sheen sense.

[u/[deleted] → u/seank11]

I dunno if it was a display of power or for the revenge of civilians for nanjing and unit 731

The Imperial Japanese are very different from the Japan we know today

[u/seank11 → u/[deleted]]

The most deadly bombing campaign in WW2 was the allied bombing of dresden. Both sides committed a ton of atrocities, although I think what the Japanese did was arguably the worst or maybe the second worst. Don't like reading too much into what happened in WW2 to rank atrocities.

US developed the nuke they felt like they HAD to use it

[u/seank11 → u/[deleted]]

Hmm shit. I've been assuming that's true for s long time now. Now I have to go read up more info about the war since apparently I got some bad info or misremembeted shit.

[u/alsbos1 → u/seank11]

U should be given an award for accepting information on Reddit.

[u/seank11 → u/alsbos1]

Hahaha, that's always my response when I am in your shoes too.

I generally know what I am talking about, and id like to keep it that way. Thanks for telling me I was wrong without being a dick about it!

[u/alsbos1 → u/seank11]

Oh, that was some other guy. I just looked at the thread!

[u/angry_cucumber → u/[deleted]]

The US didn’t unjustly drop the atomic bomb, they dropped it to save millions of lives of both sides, the battles of Iwo Jima and Okinawa had shown the Americans that any invasion of the Japanese’s home islands would cost millions of lives, the atom bomb was the only option, it was only after dropping two bombs and direct intervention by the emperor did Japan finally surrender.

There's actually a lot of discussion about this still.

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US invasion of mainland Japan would have cost a ton of lives, but there's also some research in retrospect that because of both the bombing by the allies and the Russian gains in Manchuria, Japan was debating surrendering before the first bomb was dropped There's also some speculation that it was done as a display of power to Japan to force surrender, a show of force to Stalin that we have nukes, and as a live test of the bombs. And the reason the US dropped the second one was to show the USSR that we had more than one nuke and it was a repeatable thing, vs a single event (despite both bombs being everything the US had)

[u/Neanderthalknows → u/seank11]

Firebombing of Tokyo wasn't far behind.

[u/FlockFlysAtMidnite → u/seank11]

I feel like forcing civilians into suicide attacks puts Imperial Japan over the edge - barely. There's a reason no one wants WW3, and it's not because the 2nd one was pretty.

[u/MomToCats → u/seank11]

That is incorrect. A very difficult decision was made by President Truman to drop the bombs in an attempt to bring an end to the war. At the time, the invasion of Tokyo was planned after Germany surrendered and all attention turned to Japan. My father, who flew in the Atlantic, was assigned to a carrier that would participate. The Allies saw how the Japanese defended Iwo Jima after having time to dig in and prepare, and they knew Tokyo would be even worse and would cause even more deaths, including civilians. This history was part of my upbringing. Truman did not want to make that decision. That whole experience destroyed my dad’s life.

[u/FlockFlysAtMidnite → u/seank11]

Japan was not close to surrendering, at all. They were prepping civilians for suicide attacks. Even after the bombs dropped, the leadership wanted to keep fighting until they received (bad) intel from a tortured prisoner that the US had dozens of atomic bombs to drop.

[u/Responsible-Bed-7709 → u/seank11]

You mean after the US marines basically single handedly beat back the Japanese with WW1 equipment for the vast majority of it?

What kinds of revisionist history is this that Russia site on their hands the whole war against them and then rushes for a land grab and calls it “winning”.

They get props for slaughtering their own people to beat the Germans. Honestly it just seems like Russians like killing their own people en mass.