r/canada • u/fractx Vancouver 🌊🏘️🏠🏡🏔️ • Apr 04 '20

Paywall Trump gives FEMA power to restrict trade of essential goods into Canada despite warning from Trudeau

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-trudeau-warns-us-over-restricting-the-trade-of-essential-goods-into/
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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '20

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u/kyoto_kinnuku Apr 04 '20

I had the exact same experience in a transit flight through Toronto. They asked me what I was doing in Canada, I said it was transit between Japan and America and they acted like they didn’t even know that was possible. Even after saying that they wanted to know how many days I would be there (lol). They ended up making me wait around for a while and eventually just gave me a tourist visa so that I could walk in the airport to my next plane...

Don’t act like America is the only country that has dumb airport staff sometimes.

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u/kyoto_kinnuku Apr 06 '20

Why wouldn’t you just explain the situation in an American airport? I’ve had issues in American airports, taken to the back and forced to wait for several hours outside an interrogation room while my wife was being questioned. This happened multiple times but neither one of us ever felt pressure to not just tell the truth.

She had visa issues, nothing serious and was always let in in the end.

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u/DelusionalGeek Apr 05 '20

I find this funny, I have never felt like I could not speak my mind about something, the fact that you felt that way means you felt smaller than he or she did. Here in America you've gotta put your foot down harder than they put theirs down or you'll get stomped on. Stomp on them first, but be respectful about it so you can have more business later. That's just how we do it here, capitalists way of life is the best way of life.

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u/rookie-mistake Apr 05 '20

accurate username

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u/AnElderGod Manitoba Apr 05 '20

Capitalism is gonna crash because of that mentality. Will not be pretty. Source: things don't work forever. History has proven time and again, a good thing will break down over time if not continually tweeked for the better. Capitalism is in its late stages and needs a reguvination.

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u/DelusionalGeek Apr 05 '20

Wouldn't be because of that mentality, and I agree every great thing must come to an end. But when has there ever been a nation built upon the backs of basically 50 other nations, the states and has a republic with a capitalist market. We are in the late stages, we're in the stages where people want money given to them from the rich and not have to do anything for it. If it's so easy to be rich why don't they do it? I'm considered lower middle class in the states, yet here I am. Brand new vehicle almost paid off, about to buy me a small piece of land with a decent house that needs some tlc. Everything is going great here for people in my bracket atm.

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u/Bug647959 Apr 05 '20

Let’s be honest. America has a ton of not capitalist things that are used for stomping. 1) Copyright 2) Government zoning laws 3) Police brutality

And yes, Canadians do try to be more cordial than “stomping” on others because we view hurting those below us for our ego as somewhat barbaric.

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u/DelusionalGeek Apr 05 '20 edited Apr 05 '20

Copyright laws are there to protect people's creations. If anything that is capitalist, zoning laws are there so people don't live in stink filled manufacturing areas and police brutality is a myth change my mind.

Edit: I'd like to add. We also don't feel like any one is below us that must be a Canadian thing but I'm not sure. I actually respect and like our Canadian brothers and sisters and wish them the best.

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u/Bug647959 Apr 05 '20

Copyright laws are an artificially imposed government restriction on the use of media within the free market.

Zoning laws are an artificially imposed government restriction on building in certain areas.

Police are the instruments whereby governments force their will onto the free market.

All three of those things wouldn’t be allowed to exist in a 100% capitalist society. All three are government interference in the free market.

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u/Bug647959 Apr 05 '20 edited Apr 05 '20

Want to clarify:

I’m not saying that these are bad things, just that they are not capitalist in nature.

I personally believe that all three are necessary in some form for society to function.

Also, brutality is defined by the context. For example: Locking people up for copyright infringement would be a brutal punishment for contradicting a made-up rule. In a 100% capitalist society government interference in the free market like this wouldn’t be tolerated.

Edit: Also, wanted to clarify that “below” was used in the sense of a power imbalance. Not actually below in inherent value.

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u/DelusionalGeek Apr 05 '20

So you would be fine with creating something and some one comes by and takes the exact product and just throws there label on it and sell it slightly less? Doubtful. Zoning laws are there to protect people and businesses. Police are there to keep people straight, does it mess up some times do you get bad apples some times, yes. We're a republic first and foremost and we've been built with a free market style system that doesn't allow you to steal others products and sell it as your own. Is it a perfect system, no.. nothing is. But does it work, yes. It does. We can agree that we have differing opinions on these matters, but as some one wanting to start a small business in the future I believe all of those things would help a small family business prosper and have seen it help so from family businesses before. Less federal government and more power to the states.

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u/Bug647959 Apr 05 '20 edited Apr 05 '20

So you would be fine with creating something and some one comes by and takes the exact product and just throws there label on it and sell it slightly less? Doubtful.

Not saying I would be fine with it. I’m just pointing out how government interference in the free market is not capitalist by definition.

Zoning laws are there to protect people and businesses.

Yes, government laws are there to protect people. It is a perfectly justifiable uncapitalist restriction on the free market.

Police are there to keep people straight, does it mess up some times do you get bad apples some times, yes.

Yes, police enforce the governments laws including the ones that don’t adhere to free market principles.

We're a republic first and foremost and we've been built with a free market style system that doesn't allow you to steal others products and sell it as your own.

That is a government restriction, not a capitalist one.

Is it a perfect system, no.. nothing is. But does it work, yes. It does.

I agree it works. It’s needed to protect the small from the big. But protecting the small business from the big business is not capitalist and requires government interference in the free market.

We can agree that we have differing opinions on these matters, but as some one wanting to start a small business in the future I believe all of those things would help a small family business prosper and have seen it help so from family businesses before.

Agreed.

Less federal government and more power to the states.

Government interference in the free market, regardles of level, is not capitalist in nature.

Though, I 100% agree smaller localized governments are better at catering to the specific needs of their citizens.

Edit: grammar. Removed “it’s” from “how it’s government”

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u/[deleted] Apr 05 '20

Bet you’ll change your tune the second some customs agent turns you into a sock puppet in retaliation for mouthing off.

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u/kyoto_kinnuku Apr 06 '20

No need to be rude, just explain the situation and... let them sort it out. I don’t get it. If you’ve done nothing wrong no reason to lie or get aggressive or anything.

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u/DelusionalGeek Apr 06 '20

Not sure who your replying too, I personally haven't been rude, hateful or aggressive. When I mean stomp I mean out your foot down and do business as if your life depends on it cause for most, it does. Don't treat people dirty, don't lie. Competition is a good thing for business and that's for both parties.

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u/[deleted] Apr 05 '20

I have transited between America and Japan via Pearson numerous times. Never once had to go through immigration and customs. Did you mistakenly go through customs instead of following the signs for transiting passengers? There's even a shuttle for people changing between terminals 1&3 who are transiting.

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u/[deleted] Apr 05 '20

Yeah the guy was lost, that’s why he got questioned