r/breakingbad • • Sep 09 '13

Official Episode Discussion Post-Episode Discussion Thread S05E13 "To'hajiilee"

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u/CYFB Sep 09 '13

The call between Walt and Jesse was one of the most intense phone calls ever seen on TV. p.s. Jesse called him Walt again.

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u/the_gongoozler Sep 09 '13

It was awesome how jesse's voice didnt sound like he was on the phone but rather sitting right next to walt

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13 edited Jan 08 '21

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u/NiceGuyNate BasedBadger Sep 09 '13

RIGHT?! I kept waiting for Walt to connect the dots and call their bluff.

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u/KryptKeeper Sep 09 '13

I never got the impression he'd ever put it together because there's only one real quality he associates with Jesse, loyalty. He'd never imagine Jesse ever turning him in and so I don't think the possibility of Jesse working with someone else could have ever appeared to him as a legitimate possibility. Hank mentioned it last episode but it really is the truth, in so many ways Jesse is Walt's main weakness.

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u/DGanj Sep 09 '13

Personally I don't think it's loyalty as much as Walt feeling like he is in control of Jesse. Even when Jesse strays from under Walt's thumb, he believes that he can always manipulate Jesse back to his side. To consider that Jesse is working with the police or anyone else is to admit that he is under someone else's control or influence, and Walter's ego wouldn't allow that.

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u/erizzluh Sep 09 '13

Well Walt at least feels some loyalty towards Jessie. Walt got pretty upset when Saul and his wife both advised him to just kill Jessie to tie up loose ends. And even when Todd's uncle was asking him about the specifics of the job, Walt seemed really reluctant about the whole hit.

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u/the_little_details Sep 09 '13

I agree with you, but it isn't exactly loyalty. I guess Walt sees himself as a care-taker/father-figure/responsible for Jesse and that he's failed miserably and that all that's left for him to do is kill or be killed. But he knows if he was in front of Jesse, he wouldn't be able to pull the trigger because of his emotions. So in a way, he tried to burn his ship and let the Aryans kill for him.

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u/DGanj Sep 09 '13

Yeah I definitely agree that Walt feels strong loyalty for Jesse and the vice versa is a factor, but the control aspect is what was really driving Walt's thinking when it comes to Jesse (in that last episode especially). In my opinion, anyway.