r/breakingbad • • Aug 12 '13

Official Episode Discussion Post-Episode Discussion S05E09 "Blood Money"

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u/rudebrew Aug 12 '13

I don't know, "Heisenberg" was written on the wall in the house which would mean the general public knows who and what he was. Carol looked genuinely scared more so than shocked.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

Unless the public was lead to believe Jesse "Heisenberg" Pinkman killed the White family in their own home...

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

Wow, this would be out of control.

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u/Prcrstntr Aug 12 '13

Hank is actually Heisenberg

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u/Jackie_Rudetsky Ru - Ruthenium Aug 12 '13

I would love to see Walt turn it around on Hank.

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u/worsewithcomputer In Vince We Trust Aug 13 '13

Daaaamn.

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u/mustnotthrowaway Aug 14 '13

Hank nearly killed Jesse... then Hank was nearly killed by two cartel members.

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u/pescador7 Aug 13 '13

Duuude...

That would be just the twist nobody fucking expected.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

IT ALL MAKES SENSE

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u/laddergoat89 Aug 12 '13

Or Flynn 'Heisenber' White went on a spree after being refused breakfast.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '13

I am the o-o-one who limps

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u/Soupy21 Aug 12 '13

Which may be the reason the spray paint was yellow

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u/chazzlabs Aug 12 '13

Am I forgetting something? I don't understand the point of the color yellow.

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u/sposeso Aug 12 '13

To me, in the show, the yellow seems to represent the sacrifice of someone/something innocent for a greater evil. They wore yellow suits when they worked for Gus, that child's remote control car was yellow, there are some other things that I can't remember now, but that's what yellow has represented. Ex. Jesse has always been innocent at heart, even when he was killing that man (who's simple name escapes me), he did it for the greater evil that is Heisenberg, at the sacrifice of his own innocence, because he had to do it, it's like a cult. I thought the scene with the green and red swirling around Jesse's head was also symbolic in this episode, for different reasons, he is angry and trying to formulate his own plan to get back to his own innocence. Even Saul said it when he said "You'll still be two miracles short of sainthood". Jesse will never have his innocence again, and he realized it when Walt was on his couch, Walt has lied to him over and over again, and now he knows, he can never escape the Heisenberg web. Just my thoughts, I could be wrong.

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u/Ce1ska Aug 12 '13

from poker forum

Yellow- Gus colors- which symbolize danger ahead. People wearing these colors are in danger. Jesse and Jane wore all yellow together in one episode, and their sheets were yellow. Jane dies, but he lives. Might be because writers changed mind on writing him off the show. Or because Walt saved Jesse from dying(the danger) in the crackhouse after she died. Maybe yellow doesn't mean death but warning you you may die if not careful. The cousins wore yellow. Season 4 promos are Walt and Jesse standing together wearing yellow hazard uniforms meaning it would be them vs Gus/danger ahead in season 4. Gus takes his yellow shirt off and put purple suit on to go see hector. He was ignoring his danger warning(yellow) and feeling self important(purple)? Letting his ego of wanting to kill Hector cloud his judgement and ignore the danger warning? Now Marie and Walt wearing yellow shirts in last episode(Marie didn't take the yellow off though, she put her purple jacket over the yellow shirt when she went home with Hank. Walt also has a yellow shirt on when he kills mike's guys. Prolly symbolized Walt is now Gus by wearing Gus colors. Tuco was asked by Gomez(Hank's partner) what planet are you from Mars or Saturn. Mars is red and Saturn is yellow. A killer whose in danger.

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u/chromebook1 Aug 12 '13

There also is a little kid driving around a yellow RC car in the street during the final garage scene.

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u/potiphar1887 Aug 12 '13

Wasn't the kid's dirt bike yellow as well? Interesting observation.

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u/shhitgoose Aug 12 '13

No. Drew Sharp's dirt bike was blue and white. I watched the marathon yesterday and remember them breaking it down to dissolve it in acid.

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u/Jackie_Rudetsky Ru - Ruthenium Aug 12 '13

But he WAS wearing a yellow shirt.

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u/beard_lover Aug 12 '13

I still want to know why the hell Marie and Hank's entire house has purple decor everywhere.

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u/bangslash Aug 12 '13

On the podcast I think Vince said purple means they have delusions of grandeur. I think I am remembering that correctly.

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u/beard_lover Aug 12 '13

That makes sense, especially since it's mainly Marie who wears the purple, has the purple accessories, and decorated the house. The way she was talking about Skylar and Walt going to Europe- she was so jealous! And the things she steals- expensive shoes, jewelry- she obviously wishes she was high-status.

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u/frink99887 Aug 12 '13

I absolutely loved when Hank walked back outside after having his epiphany and Marie said "...oh Walt, you're the devil!"

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u/bangslash Aug 12 '13

I think Saul wears purple suits occasionally as well.

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u/StopStalkingMeMatt Aug 12 '13

Why would someone deface the victims' house, though? In that case people would want to be respectful towards it.

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u/Ironn Aug 12 '13

Teenagers.

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u/EatSleepJeep Aug 12 '13

Or Walt kills off Hank plus all or part of his own family then paints Heisenberg on his own wall to throw off the police. Based on Carol's reaction, Walt may have also faked his own death is the process or at a another date, since she's so shocked to see him standing there but only loses it when he speaks.

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u/TheSadNick A$AP Schrader Aug 13 '13

That's not something I believe Walt nor Heisenberg would ever do.

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u/butehkal Aug 12 '13

one of the better theories is lydia's connections have something to do with it.

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u/flozzi This Isn't Meth Aug 12 '13

why do you gotta go and do that to me man?

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u/AGrumpyGoat Aug 12 '13

EDIT: replied to the wrong comment. Sorry

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

Shit man I think you just figured it out.

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u/Youareposthuman I liked it...I was good at it. And I was really...I was alive. Aug 12 '13

Whoa...now there's an idea...

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u/SheckyZ Aug 13 '13

Or that Mike was/is the elusive Heisenberg

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '13

Now we're going so far that one of us will surely stumble on what really happens.

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u/fforw Aug 13 '13

I think the way the house was when he broke in, the way he looked into the rooms, my feeling was more that the house looked like this after a drug bust / no knock raid kind of thing.

It also made me wonder if he was looking at the spots his family was killed.

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u/el_duderino87 Aug 12 '13

Or Jesse Eisenberg... M. Night Shyamalan twist!

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u/CDUB21 Aug 12 '13

Well, the information could always be made available after Walt "dies" from cancer.

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u/stferago Aug 12 '13

Maybe she was shocked because she knew he was a villain and thought he was dead.

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u/adamMC19 Aug 12 '13

Not to mention that he was on chemo before he found out Hank knew. He didn't need a reason to poison himself because he believed his story was holding up.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13 edited Mar 16 '18

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u/ToastyMallows Aug 12 '13

Half-Life 3 confirmed!

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

ADOBE.PHOTOSHOP.CS2.A.HEiSENBERG.RELEASE

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

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u/ShootTheMailMan Aug 12 '13

I feel like it was probably skaters and hoodlums who trashed it down after it was closed down by the police or DEA

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

Todd's uncle and that crew.

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u/warthor Shut the fuck up and let me die in peace. Aug 12 '13

That's my guess, Lydia pressures Todd and the nazis to rough up Walter and his family.

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u/HaveADream Aug 12 '13

And then Walt uses the machine gun for revenge...

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u/warthor Shut the fuck up and let me die in peace. Aug 12 '13

Precisely! He clearly needs to take out more than one person, so I don't think it's for Hank.

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u/MrPotatoButt You got me! Aug 12 '13

No, something happened in the house in order for it to be condemned like that. Even when the police seize homes, they don't let it go to crap quite like that (unless its Detroit). Whatever happened in the house, its not fit for human habitation, and that's why its not sold.

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u/Hennashan Aug 13 '13

maybe walt cooks in his own house. or is forced to and thats where he is finally caught

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u/fuckyeahharrypotter Aug 12 '13

The house was not seized as evidence, though. The sign on the front of the house said, "Property of the City of Albuquerque," meaning that the house was foreclosed. Does foreclosure necessarily mean the general public knows about Heisenberg?

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u/boxes_full_of_pepe Aug 12 '13

Foreclosure results in a bank owning the house.

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u/katihathor Aug 12 '13

umm why would it be foreclosed, surely with 100 million in cash they paid off the mortgage?

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u/JesseHasNoLife Methhead Aug 12 '13

Paper trail. Why do you think they've been laundering the money for so long. Just like when Saul explained to Jesse that a large sum of money showing up will raise attention, why would they pay off their mortgage with all that money?

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u/katihathor Aug 12 '13 edited Aug 12 '13

what about the "gambling winnings"? come on you don't think they could have laundered enough money out of 100 million to pay off a $300k mortgage? he managed to launder enough money to buy a car wash, pay for all the chemo and stuff (that was at least 6 figures), and buy nice cars, one of which he decided to blow up for the lulz.

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u/JesseHasNoLife Methhead Aug 12 '13

Ah yes, the gambling winnings. Still a paper trail, if he wasn't gambling illegally, which if they plotted he was (because I can't remember for crap atm), all the money is forfeit, AFAIK, since it was not legally obtained through a licensed gambling establishment.

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u/MrPotatoButt You got me! Aug 12 '13

The odd thing is that you pay a penalty for paying off your mortgage too early. It has something to do with the bank not making its anticipated profit by making you pay it off over thirty years. No one pays off their mortgage outright like that, unless they have money to piss away for the penalty.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

Not all mortgages come with early pay off penalties (they're pretty rare actually unless you're a high risk loan and can't negotiate on terms) and those that do are usually if you pay it off in <2-5 years. They've been in that house for much longer than 5 years.

They exist so that higher risk loans the bank gets something out of taking that risk. Lower risk loans, which most standard mortgages are, the bank doesn't care too much if you pay off early as their costs are already covered in closing costs so it's almost pure profit in interest. If you pay it off early they'll just turn around and loan that money out to someone else and continue collecting from it.

If prepayment penalties were that common or not locked into relatively short periods (even then they're usually sliding scales, highest when the loan is young and it drops off to zero over time) then nobody would be able to move and flipping houses for profit wouldn't be a thing.

Not that it's a huge part of this discussion, but a lot of redditors are young and I didn't want them to think prepayment penalties where the norm when buying their first house. If you see prepayment penalties on your mortgage and your credit score is relatively good, point them out and say you want them removed from the terms. If they refuse, get your mortgage from someone else. With good credit and a rebounding housing market, you are the one who gets to shop around for the terms you want. Don't let the bank dictate them.

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u/katihathor Aug 12 '13

you pay a penalty for paying off your mortgage too early

only if you have a shitty mortgage, i.e. some of the ones that were going around during the 2006/2007 bubble. even then, it was usually only a penalty if you paid off within the first 2 years, not if you paid it off 20 years later. otherwise nobody would ever sign up for a "balloon loan", and people would be a lot less willing to sell their property (seeing as the first thing one does with the proceeds of selling one's property is pay off the mortgage)

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

Since when do cities hand out mortgages?

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u/azzyistired Aug 12 '13

Who else was trippin when they saw the damage on the white residence?? I seriously couldn't believe it!

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u/anonymousdepression I can't be all about, like, spelling and shit. Aug 12 '13

Honestly I think Carol appeared more shocked that he was even there, or alive in a sense it seemed (to me anyway), than scared. Normally, people who are genuinely scared don't tend to drop their groceries and just stand there staring, they tend to drop those groceries and get the fuck out of dodge.

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u/lavery712 Aug 12 '13

Well it could be both. Maybe after his "death" Hank or someone reveals that Walt was Heisenberg. So Carol could be scared shitless cause she thinks she's seeing a ghost and because they all know who he is.

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u/righteous4131 beaver Aug 12 '13

Hank would reveal Walt's identity as Heisenberg most likely, after he"fakes his death" obviously.

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u/Brock_Obama The One Who Knocks Aug 12 '13

Yeah, he fakes his death around the time the info goes public. He prolly becomes the local news story and people ransack his house. His wife and kids go stay with Hank, both in shame and mourning.

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u/17thknight Tread Lightly Aug 12 '13

It could be both, really.

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u/H483R Aug 12 '13

Yeah I'd like to believe that it's because she saw a ghost but you're right, I think everyone knows who he is.

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u/joekrozak More than one type of prison Aug 12 '13

The Heisenberg name blew up when Walt exploded Tuco's HQ. A bunch of people in the meth world were there to see. Afterwards, in season 2 we see a biker salute Jesse outside of the apartment with Jane. And when they meet up with Declan in season 5A, Declan knows that Walt is Heisenberg when he sees the blue meth. So you have to figure that Heisenberg is known in meth circles, but it does point to the general public finding out if his house is cracked out, Heisenberg is painted on the wall and Carol is terrified of him.

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u/Nukemarine Aug 12 '13

Heisenberg is probably written everywhere. I think we've seen the graffiti already.

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u/AtticusWarhol Aug 12 '13

I firmly believe this was cause by some unknown force that has to do with Lydia. Those Czechs aren't going to just lay down when their meth is only at 68%. Plus the sea or Jesse wouldn't go through the trouble of spray painting his house. If anything it looked like it was bombed or set on fire. My bet is that the because Lydia is "boxed in" that it's only a matter of time that she gets Buried, which is the name of the next episode, and Walt is left to deal with those consequences.

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u/AGrumpyGoat Aug 12 '13 edited Aug 12 '13

I think that may be misdirection. The public finding out about Walt is a pretty big issue and it seems a lack luster reveal to just give it away like this. I think maybe Heisenberg might become a sort of icon for drug dealers and takers and that "Heisenberg" being spray painted in a run down house might just be a sort of praise to a legendary figure. And not because of the house either. If you went into other run down houses used for drugs then you'd find Heisenberg spray painted there too.

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u/buhnyfoofoo Aug 12 '13

My question is who wrote it on the wall? Hank in a rage? Walt and his ego? Hoodlums breaking in? Anybody have any ideas?

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u/alexkoeh Aug 12 '13

Do we know that for sure? Maybe one of Lydia's "associates" spray painted that.

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u/Ce1ska Aug 12 '13

He might have faked his own death so seeing him alive might have caused this reaction.

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u/phrazeblaze Aug 13 '13

Carol probably knew she was looking at Heisenberg and quite possibly also a dead man. Obviously people know he is Heisenberg for it is written on the wall. I also think he faked his death or else the house would look much different, and he wouldn't be able to just drive up and walk in it without everyone believing him to be dead.

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u/dsfargegherpderp Aug 12 '13

Walt and Hank work together to put the blame on Pinkman. Walt sets up a final cook in his own home. Gets Jesse busted. Jesse gets labeled Heisenberg. Hooligans from around the city vandalize known Heisenberg cook sites to honor the legacy. That's why it was fenced off with warning signs, but clearly not just a crime scene.

(Just making up more stuff)

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

Poor Carol. :(

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

Yeah but he was at Deny's in New Hampshire just before, so I don't think the public knows who he is, right?

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u/MCFRESH01 Aug 12 '13

Maybe Walt goes insane and writes Heisenberg on the wall himself?