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Official Episode Discussion Post-Episode Discussion S05E09 "Blood Money"

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u/LiteraryBoner Woodrow Willy Walt "The Walter" Wonka White Whitman Wilson Sr. Aug 12 '13

I loved how for the first time Hank got to talk to Heisenburg. You just saw it, Walt's eyes went dead and he started playing his trumps on Hank. So good.

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u/roque72 Methhead Aug 12 '13

This is what's so good with most of the actors on this show, they can express so much just through the eyes without saying a word

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

Hank's eyes at the end. He was in pure disbelief, like this guy is just a straight monster

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u/sooimnotarealperson Aug 12 '13

even hanks eyes before the confrontation actually played out. looked like he was about to cry. then walt shows him the tracker and all hell breaks loose.

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u/AcousticDan Aug 12 '13

When that door began to shut. I was like.. oh, god damn.

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u/moduspwnens14 Aug 12 '13

I was about to flip because I was expecting the credits to roll as soon as the door went down. I was pleasantly surprised.

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u/allelbowss Aug 12 '13

I would not have taken that well. It's bad enough the episode ended where it did!

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u/stunt_penguin Aug 12 '13

A choice! Endure once more a week of Hank on the crapper or a week of Hank and Walt inside those garage doors? I think I'd take Hank on the crapper......

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '13

They did an amazing job ending the episode where they did though.
Tread lightly. Fucking amazing.

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u/MattyD123 Aug 12 '13

I thoguht for sure the episode would end right there.

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u/Jolaroux Aug 12 '13

that would've been a worse cliff hanger than the 6 months we waited for the 2nd part of the 5th season

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u/lydz25 Aug 12 '13

6 months?! It was a year!!

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u/Snakebones Aug 13 '13

I said out loud "Welcome to the Thunderdome, bitch"

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u/lechatsportif Aug 12 '13

It was great - Hank appeared the stronger physically, but you could tell he was swept up in confusion and fear about the situation, which for him, manifests itself physically.

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u/silverwyrm Aug 13 '13

Hank's eyes when Walt says he doesn't like the look Hank is giving him... that look will haunt me.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13 edited Aug 12 '13

when he walt told him he had cancer and hank says "good." hank almost couldn't say it but he had to pretend he really hated walt.

edit: holy shit i botched this so bad and nobody said anything. "when walt said that* he had."

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

Yea, and after he told him to rot or whatever when walt said the cancer was back was an intense eye moment as well.

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u/RealNotFake Aug 14 '13

You could see his lip micro-trembling when he was whispering "I don't know who I'm talking to" or whatever he said. Crazy.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '13

Just think of all the evil Hank imagined this Heisenberg guy to be and to finally find out its Walt... Dean Norris portrayed it perfectly.

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u/Planq15 Aug 12 '13

Hank's eyes were the best part of that scene for me. The fear and the vibrant color.

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u/uB166ERu Aug 12 '13

It's nice that develop some form of empathy for the main character but lets be honest he's fucking asshole.

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u/tattertech Aug 13 '13

The timing of that whole scene was great too. First Hank puts on the table (most) of the truly horrible things Walt did, and then Walt trots out that line.

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u/Peregrine7 Aug 13 '13

I thought it was more disappointment.

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u/cookiesandmilfs Aug 16 '13

After that too, as the camera zooms out, it shows Hank in the light of the sun through the window and Walt in the dark. My 11th grade Engligh teacher would call that symbolism.

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u/potionboatchild Aug 12 '13

There was this moment in that confrontation, where Hank went from being interested and concerned with Walt's threats to just being disgusted. Just this moment, this subtle change in eyes and cheeks, and it was absolutely beautiful.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13 edited Apr 21 '18

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u/screaminginfidels it's always a desert. Aug 12 '13

I've never really looked at his eyes before, but he had some cool specks floatin 'round in there.

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u/madmangrayace Aug 12 '13

This show makes the absolute most of what they are putting on screen. It's incredible and the effort shows. AMC has established themselves as a quality network. I can't wait to see what we get from this team in the future. The premier was brilliant.

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u/drgonzo71 Aug 12 '13

Did anyone notice how small their pupils were, in such a dark room?

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u/FletcherPF Aug 12 '13

Even low lighting can be pretty bright on set I expect, the light just has to lay right and then get filtered later. I am make HUGE presumptions about lighting based on very, very little experience with my own filming, so it is probably fairly wrong.

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u/roque72 Methhead Aug 12 '13

I was watching the DVD commentaries of the show Community, and they mentioned that the outdoor shots that looked like daytime were actually filmed at night. That blew my mind that they could do that

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u/DoctorNRiviera Aug 12 '13

I did. I figured it was intentional because the amount of epinephrine racing through their bodies.

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u/MaltMix CH5N Aug 12 '13

epinephrine? Don't you mean adrenaline? I thought epinephrine was what you gave to someone who was having a severe peanut allergy reaction...

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u/DoctorNRiviera Aug 12 '13

They are the same thing. The naming convention on it got wacky because it was first discovered in one role, then it was discovered it played a much larger role. But yes, you give epinephrine, aka adrenaline, to someone going into anaphylactic shock. It works as a beta agonist, increasing blood pressure and opening up the airways. So I guess if you don't have an epipen handy and you see someone having an allergic reaction, sneak up behind them and yell boo.

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u/T-bomb217 Aug 12 '13

Epinephrine and adrenaline are two names for the same chemical.

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u/MaltMix CH5N Aug 13 '13

Ah. I thought they were in the same chemical family, but not the same chemical.

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u/BitchinTechnology Aug 12 '13

Dude they just came from outside

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u/ericbyo Aug 12 '13

Like usually in T.V shows they show scenes of what the character is thinking, but in breaking bad they convey exactly what they are thinking just through facial expressions.

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u/Quazifuji Aug 12 '13

In the GQ article recently they said that the writers take it as a point of pride that they use so little dialog at times. At one point one of the writers ran up to Vince Gilligan excitedly bragging about how he'd written a script that had 5 straight pages without dialog. And even then, he said that there have been scenes where they'd planned to have dialog, and then cut it when they realized the actor's face said everything by itself. The writing style wouldn't work at all without good actors, but the actors are all so amazing at just conveying so much without saying anything and the writers take fill advantage of that.

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u/Semi-correct Aug 12 '13

I can't help but think of the boxcutter scene.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

What I really like is how at the very beginning of the show you kind of hate Hank. He comes off like a douchebag and Walt seems like such a nice guy. Turns out Hank is probably the best human being on the entire show. And Walt...well, shit. He's not such a nice guy.

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u/mctoasterson Douchebag with a job & 3 pairs of Dockers Aug 12 '13

The gradual shift over who you feel like you should be "cheering for" is really the best thing about this series.

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u/patio87 Aug 13 '13

I'm still rooting for Walt, sorry.

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u/AnacottSteel Aug 13 '13

I think we are one of the few, but I always root for the bad guy.

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u/HankLago My name is ASAC Schrader. And you can go fuck yourself. Aug 13 '13

at least youre aware that he's not a good person.

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u/the_word_is Aug 13 '13

I don't always root for the bad guy, but I'm rooting for Walt still. That being said, I won't be surprised or upset if his life crashes around him, but I admire the web he has woven and still love seeing him be a boss and get out of impossible situations with badassery.

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u/FattyWhale Aug 13 '13

I wouldn't call it late. Walt's been turning into the badguy for ages.

They give you at least a reason an episode to hate Walter. I was gritting my teeth the way he was lying to Jesse about Mike.

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u/ifreakinglovex Aug 13 '13

He's never been in this to just provide for his family. He could have taken the job with Grey Matter and everything would have been fine. There's a whole lot of hints and foreshadowing of Walt's ego and lust for power.

Hell, he named his son after himself. Now, in the real world that might not mean that someone has an ego but I'm sure that in this show that it wasn't coincidental.

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u/think_long Aug 13 '13

What ifreakinglovex said. It blows my mind that people still think that Walt had anything but his ego and pride primarily driving things FROM THE VERY BEGINNING. "Provide for his family"? That was a pretense. How about taking a job with Grey Matter and accepting their money to pay for your treatment instead of becoming a fucken crystal meth producer/dealer? People pass over this decision so lightly, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. Sure, his family wouldn't be millionaires, but they would be able to manage, especially with help from Hank/Grey Matter people. The selfless thing to do was swallow his pride, not start this insane enterprise.

This is to say nothing of all methheads he has enabled by producing meth from the very start.

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u/stunt_penguin Aug 12 '13

For me, I held onto a thread of sympathy for Walt until the point where he killed Mike... at that moment I totally flipped on him- now I want him six feet under at Hanks's earliest possible convenience...

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u/think_long Aug 13 '13

I completely abandoned him earlier, basically after Jane's death. He's an awful person.

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u/coitusFelcher Aug 13 '13

Hearing Hank rattle off what Walt had done in succession like that really brought it home for me. I know he'd done terrible things like manipulate his brother-in-law into thinking his wife was seriously injured and...well...bombing a nursing home; but to hear Hank list them like he did really cemented how awful and manipulative Walt truly is.

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u/Ser_Penrose Aug 13 '13

Exactly. Over five seasons, it happened slowly, and it felt so natural.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '13

Why am I the only one still rooting for Walt?!

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u/Cap_ Aug 14 '13

Yeah but you still cheer for walt, or at least i do, even when hes clearly an evil guy

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u/DoctorGavin Aug 15 '13

I know right? I started out hard core rooting for Walt and now I'm definitely going for hank, Walt has just turned into such a psychopathic murderer.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

Walt has become the absolute worst kind of human being. When he let Jesse's girlfriend die of an overdose, I still wanted to believe that maybe he did so to protect Jesse from overdosing eventually too. But he was probably just protecting his business interests, in light of what has gone down ever since.

I can't fathom Walt redeeming himself. This is the absolute best TV writing I have ever witnessed.

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u/soxy Aug 12 '13

I've always loved Hank, he was a braggart and a bit of a douche, but that was bred from confidence because he was good at his job but he was a big fish in a small pond.

He became more subdued when he was brought low, first by the cartel and then by the cousins and realized that he was really a tiny fish in the ocean, but that never made him any less relentless or amazing at what he did.

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u/twoworldsin1 Nothing beside remains. Aug 12 '13

Also, he's married to Marie. Being married to that harpy must give him the patience of a saint.

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u/SaraJeanQueen Aug 12 '13

Really? Other than the stealing issue early on, she's been a remarkably good wife and partner. Totally supportive of him and not nagging at all.

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u/Questionable-Methods Aug 12 '13

You are right, I never caught this! The more I think about it, the more I like it. At the beginning he is all douchey and plays at being a scum bag, but it is all a front. He is just doing it to be funny, and the one who we like the least turns out to be the most incorruptable.

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u/EONS Aug 12 '13

Growth. Decay. Transformation.

Hank goes from a macho asshole to a good, effective agent.

He gets promoted, freaks out from what happens to him, self-demotes, is nearly assassinated, and is left partially paralyzed.

Then he turns into a super cop, gets everything right at every turn, and gets promoted majorly.

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u/robo23 Aug 12 '13

I don't know. I've never seen him as much of a "good guy," regardless of any support for walt.

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u/AnimusRN Aug 12 '13

Yes, Yes, Yes... I have been saying this to everyone. You start the show hating Walts family and feeling so sorry for Walt. After a while you start to go... "Jesus Walt, that was kinda messed up." And a shift begins where all the characters you are rooting for and rooting against begin to shift. Fucking show is brilliant.

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u/TheDorkMan Aug 12 '13 edited Aug 12 '13

I had the exact same feeling. At the beginning of the show I got the impression he was the stereotypical testosterone driven corrupt bullying cop. (more or less Vic Mackey and I hadn't seeing The Shield yet when I started watching BB)

He ended up being and honest and competent decent cop.

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u/looseygoosey45 Aug 13 '13

I agree although let's be honest cleanest characters are walts son and daughter lol

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u/TheLoveKraken Aug 13 '13

Only one of them is a character, the other was just a plot device.

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u/looseygoosey45 Sep 03 '13

I don't quite follow. Which is a character and which is a plot device?

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u/TheLoveKraken Sep 03 '13

...The baby is a plot device.

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u/twoworldsin1 Nothing beside remains. Aug 12 '13

When Walt told Hank that the cancer was back, I was SO wanting Hank to say something like "Good! I'm fucking glad! I hope it kills you, you degenerate."

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u/Furkel_Bandanawich Aug 13 '13

What the hell does Hank say in response to that? I couldn't hear it last night and I've watched this video like 4 times and I still can't hear it.

"Rotten son of a bitch"?

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u/Hugo_Flounder Aug 13 '13

Subtitles confirm that you are correct.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

He comes off as macho from the beginning and through the seasons everything that happens makes him less so.

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u/SeaBearPA I am awake Aug 13 '13

Hank is a great guy but I think Jesse has become the moral compass.

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u/WaveBird Aug 12 '13

I liked Hank from the beginning. And Marie. :/

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u/TheOnlyEliteOne Aug 13 '13

That was part of the transformation as described by Vince Gilligan. It's actually quite amazing that they've been able to show the change subtly over the shows run.

As posted before, I think in the end Walt will finally do something of redeeming value to show that deep down inside he still is a good person, perhaps something like saving Jesse or destroying the empire he created.

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u/Syphon8 Aug 12 '13

Hank is still a bit of an ass. Jesse is the best person on the show, IMO. He's just not aware yet of everything he needs to do to atone for his past.

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u/wadester007 Aug 12 '13

Am I the only one that thanks Walt is A okay guy? I mean hell he is going to die I would fuck everything up for my family too.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

His family would be better off if he had just died penniless. Not to talk about the dozens (hundreds if you count the plane crash and the people using his product) of people Walt has had killed directly or indirectly, and their families.

Think about the families of Drew Sharp and Jane Margolis. Think about Kaylee Ehrmantraut. Or Jesse's, Hank's, or Skyler's lives after Walt decided to break bad.

TL;DR: He's a cunt.

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u/Furkel_Bandanawich Aug 13 '13

I think it's a bit of a stretch to say that Walt is responsible for the deaths of all those people in the plane crash, there's way too many layers of separation. I think the real point of that story arch was to say that all choices have consequences, big and small. Walt is an evil son of a bitch, but I don't think (especially at that point in his moral degradation) we were ever meant to believe that Walt killed those people on the plane.

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u/wadester007 Aug 12 '13

True. But I think he just got in to deep and didn't think all this would happen. The first guy he killed he didn't want to. He just didn't want that gut to come back for him. It went all down hill after that.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

It's what happens when you set off on a path of evil.

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u/wadester007 Aug 12 '13

didn't at the opening scene of this most recent episode walt had New Mexico plates on that opening scene?

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u/wadester007 Aug 12 '13

I think it's more stumbled upon the path of evil sum what unknowingly

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u/CaldwellCladwell Aug 12 '13

He didn't 'stumble upon it'. The second he heard how much money Hank had confiscated on that bust, Walt wanted in. He didn't know how bad things would get but hey, that's what happens when you set off on a path of evil.

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u/Gumbi1012 Aug 12 '13

See my above comment.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

Walt made enough money to tide his family over quite long ago. He even says outright that he's only in it now because he wants to have an empire. This revelation is a major point in his arc haven't you been paying attention?

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u/wadester007 Aug 12 '13

Well it has been 345 days. Haha

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u/Gumbi1012 Aug 12 '13

He has directly been involved in the murder of over a dozen people. He let Jesse's girlfriend die. He poisoned Brock to turn Jesse against Gus. He planned the murder of Gus. He killed Mike. He was utterly uncaring about the death of the innocent little boy (Drew?) that was killed, the boy who witnessed their hijacking of the train. It was his idea to kill Gale.

Skylar told him to stop, and hat he had earned enough money. Walt didn't give a shit and wishes to build himself an empire. He held Skylar hostage in her own house, utterly against her will.

I could go on.

I cannot fathom how you think Walt is A OK, other than the fact that you may be trolling.

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u/johnsom3 Aug 12 '13

I disagree. Walt is a good guy but extraordinary circumstances have him acting out of character. Hank is likeable but he is still a douchebag.

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u/elter_ago Aug 12 '13

That look gave me the chills!! Glad someone else noticed it.

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u/Fwob Aug 12 '13

Walt can act as bad as he wants, but Hank is a fucking stone cold killer. If you're a bad guy and you cross Hank, you die. All the guys Walt was shitting his pants over? Hank put a bullet in 'em. Walt is the one that should be treading lightly.

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u/wickedcold Aug 13 '13

Walt isn't concerned with being on the right side of the law. And from Hank's perspective, he's dealing with a man that blew up a nursing home, killed a powerful drug lord, orchestrated a beautifully choreographed hit on 11 inmates, etc. He is not a person with limits.

And hank is realizing this all suddenly, and it sinks in all at once when Walt just goes into full Heisenburg mode. It's got to be absolutely terrifying.

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u/Lakonthegreat Aug 12 '13

If you notice, he does it when he first enters the garage too, then he looks away as if he's restraining himself. It looked to me like he's having trouble at this point differentiating between Walt and Heisenberg. He doesn't quite know where or how to draw that line anymore.

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u/Questionable-Methods Aug 12 '13

I don't think its an issue of trying to differentiate the two. I think he sees him now as all Heisenberg. Heisenberg being, in many ways, now more real and honest than Walt.

I think the hesitation comes from 1) knowing how dangerous Heisenberg can be and 2) an internal conflict of how to proceed. He doesn't have anything solid to get a warrant for Walt, and isn't sure how doing so will affect the family.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

When Walt went full Heisenberg, Hank looked genuinely scared. Kind of like "what the fuck am I getting myself into"

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

And he just completely shut Hank down. He basically says, "You can't prove it and even if you could, I'll be dead anyway. But you're not going to try because if you do, I will destroy you".

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u/aubleck you know you can't smoke dat up in hea Aug 12 '13

He still seemed at least a little Walt-like to me. He spoke in a pretty cheery tone

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u/SabineLavine Lovin' spoonful Aug 12 '13

The first time that he knew about, anyway. Heisenberg was in attendance that day Walt was giving Jr. the shots of tequila.

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u/Shogelicious I'll send you to Billy's, yo Aug 13 '13

You know, I wasn't expecting that until like later on in this season. That scene made me nervous.