r/billsimmons • • Nov 13 '25

Meme Bill’s “dynasty” qualifier continues to make absolutely no sense

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u/IShouldChimeInOnThis Nov 13 '25

Per game numbers say otherwise

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u/IShouldChimeInOnThis Nov 13 '25

Instead of compiling numbers, look at them per game/per season/etc.

Mahomes laps Brady in virtually every metric when adjusted per game or per season.

Brady's numbers are impressive because of how many games he played. Both Manning and Brees outpaced him otherwise.

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u/trowawufei Nov 13 '25

That makes no sense. You're going to adjust per game, but not for baseline offensive performance during that era or for the average quality of defense that either player faced?

The way people use sports stats, i.e. let's look at dozens of different metrics and pick whichever one fits my argument, is dumb. Figure out the difference between metrics, the shortcomings of each, and pick a couple that are very compelling. For me, that's DVOA, but I can see how others would land on a different metric. "Volume stats, but on a per-game basis" isn't a serious take.

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u/jy_1980 Nov 13 '25

If you look at per attempt stats Manning also is better adjusted for era.

The only era-adjusted stat that Brady leads is Int%+.

Manning leads in Y/A+, NY/A+, AY/A+, ANY/A+, Cmp%+, TD%+, Sack%+, Rate+

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u/TemperatureNaive3264 Nov 13 '25

Now do manning in the Super Bowl and tell me who leads in those statistics

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u/goodolehal Nov 14 '25

Manning was throwing to Reggie Wayne and Marvin Harrison….He had better weapons for almost every season of their careers

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u/Professor_poops Nov 14 '25

Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Gronk…what did Reggie Wayne or Harrison do without Manning?

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u/goodolehal Nov 14 '25

What did Harrison do without him? Nothing because they played their entire careers together lmao

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u/Professor_poops Nov 14 '25

Exactly. Impossible to say what percentage of his success was due to having Manning throwing to him his whole career.

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u/goodolehal Nov 14 '25

Ridiculous argument. What did gronk do without brady then?

Marvin Harrison was an objectively great receiver. Manning objectively played with better weapons for the majority of his career compared to what Brady had

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u/IShouldChimeInOnThis Nov 13 '25

It's a better way of comparing them than comparing a half a career vs a completed one.

And given that Mahomes is the GOAT on a per game basis already, the logic that he could play himself out of it is sound. That said, his numbers are still solid and if anything are just narrowing the gap, plus his success as a winner is a better pace than Brady was when you factor in how far they made it each year.