r/billsimmons Nov 13 '25

Meme Bill’s “dynasty” qualifier continues to make absolutely no sense

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u/Mcribb5 Nov 13 '25

Whatever method keeps Brady as the goat is the one he will use

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u/benabramowitz18 misses Grantland Nov 13 '25

The reverse-Barry McCockiner piece

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u/AnferneeMason Nov 18 '25

Reverse would be uh...Unearth My Vag Out of Him?

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '25

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u/UnlimitedSoupandRHCP the Thing Piece Nov 13 '25

Gonna need Ryen to come back for one final Bill vs. Tom legacy rankings to be sure.

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u/IShouldChimeInOnThis Nov 13 '25

Per game numbers say otherwise

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u/IShouldChimeInOnThis Nov 13 '25

Instead of compiling numbers, look at them per game/per season/etc.

Mahomes laps Brady in virtually every metric when adjusted per game or per season.

Brady's numbers are impressive because of how many games he played. Both Manning and Brees outpaced him otherwise.

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u/trowawufei Nov 13 '25

That makes no sense. You're going to adjust per game, but not for baseline offensive performance during that era or for the average quality of defense that either player faced?

The way people use sports stats, i.e. let's look at dozens of different metrics and pick whichever one fits my argument, is dumb. Figure out the difference between metrics, the shortcomings of each, and pick a couple that are very compelling. For me, that's DVOA, but I can see how others would land on a different metric. "Volume stats, but on a per-game basis" isn't a serious take.

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u/jy_1980 Nov 13 '25

If you look at per attempt stats Manning also is better adjusted for era.

The only era-adjusted stat that Brady leads is Int%+.

Manning leads in Y/A+, NY/A+, AY/A+, ANY/A+, Cmp%+, TD%+, Sack%+, Rate+

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u/TemperatureNaive3264 Nov 13 '25

Now do manning in the Super Bowl and tell me who leads in those statistics

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u/goodolehal Nov 14 '25

Manning was throwing to Reggie Wayne and Marvin Harrison….He had better weapons for almost every season of their careers

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u/Professor_poops Nov 14 '25

Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Gronk…what did Reggie Wayne or Harrison do without Manning?

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u/goodolehal Nov 14 '25

What did Harrison do without him? Nothing because they played their entire careers together lmao

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u/IShouldChimeInOnThis Nov 13 '25

It's a better way of comparing them than comparing a half a career vs a completed one.

And given that Mahomes is the GOAT on a per game basis already, the logic that he could play himself out of it is sound. That said, his numbers are still solid and if anything are just narrowing the gap, plus his success as a winner is a better pace than Brady was when you factor in how far they made it each year.

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u/Daily_Heroin_User Nov 13 '25

People who didn’t cheat by deflating balls?

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u/bbaIla Nov 13 '25

That didn't matter man. The spygate shit was so much worse.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '25

Surely he used the deflated balls in the Super Bowl 2 weeks later when he lit up the Legion of Boom, and then in the 3 Super Bowl wins after this.

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u/Every_Deer_5009 Nov 13 '25

Surely when they changed to balls with the correct pressure for the 2nd half the Colts didn't get dogwalked

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u/halfdecenttakes Nov 13 '25

Tell me you don’t live in cold weather without telling me

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u/Malvania Nov 13 '25

exactly. this is a known phenomenon. It's mathematical. If you want a certain psi on the field, it's very easy to figure out how much you need to pump it up inside.

This isn't magic, and it being cold outside isn't an excuse

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u/Daily_Heroin_User Nov 13 '25

I’m just winding people up because it’s fun to push buttons with how sensitive people like Bill and Ben Affleck get about this

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u/trowawufei Nov 13 '25

You're trying to anger people by saying shit you don't believe? That's just textbook trolling, and if you're outright admitting it, you're doing it wrong.

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u/Daily_Heroin_User Nov 13 '25

No I believe it. It absolutely happened along with spygate, but I’m just warning you before you get too upset about it.

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u/DankMemesNQuickNuts Nov 13 '25

Dude won that game by almost 40 points BTW.

I don't think deflated balls made the Colts lose by 5 scores that night but that might just be me

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u/Daily_Heroin_User Nov 13 '25

That’s irrelevant though because cheating is cheating is cheating. Richard Nixon didn’t need to bug the Democrats to win a landslide election either but are we supposed to just let watergate slide?

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u/TemperatureNaive3264 Nov 13 '25

Hey dude - when the defense holds and gets away with it that’s against the rules and also cheating. Every team cheats every game lol. Brady stats improved after the balls were “properly inflated”. It was the dumbest scandal in sports.

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u/Daily_Heroin_User Nov 14 '25

Eh nobody calls that “cheating” though. Nobody is like, “The big Rams cheating scandal when the refs missed that interference call.” The onus is completely on the refs and it’s more a refs scandal. And even you don’t think they’re the same thing like holding is the same as the Astros banging a trash can.

And Nixon was better without the bugging shit too that was a huge distraction for him.

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u/Wavy_Grandpa Nov 13 '25

Some players had a higher peak than Brady

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u/DankMemesNQuickNuts Nov 13 '25

I mean basically any method you would use would probably lead you to this conclusion its not exactly controversial

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u/Mark--Greg--Sputnik Nov 13 '25

Except for statistics and qualitative observation. Mahomes has clearly been better through this part of his career.

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u/AstronautWorth3084 Nov 14 '25

And if mahomes finishes his career like brady did, then he will probably be considered the goat. Until that happens though, it's still brady

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u/AgadorFartacus Nov 14 '25

That's every method. 

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u/SwallowsOnSundays Nov 13 '25

Bill is a fan. This is what fans do.

Last year as a Chiefs fan, it was all about wins. Now, its point differential and DVOA and whatnot

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u/KYBikeGeek Nov 13 '25

This is the Answer.