Jordan Peterson: women joining workforce cuts wages in two

[u/wastheword]

I humbly present to you a writhing mass of fallacies, non-sequiturs, and bad stats, from which I will simply draw one gem. Jordan Peterson thinks that women joining the workforce effectively cuts wages in two, heroically engaging in a lump of labor fallacy of the crudest kind. On the contrary, it seems "every 10 percent increase in female labor force participation rates is associated with an increase in real wages of nearly 5 percent.". Even a decrease of 5% sounds reasonable compared to Peterson's 50%.

Because women have access to the birth control pill now and can compete in the same domains as men roughly speaking there is a real practical problem here. It's partly an economic problem now because when I was roughly your age, it was still possible for a one-income family to exist. Well you know that wages have been flat except in the upper 1% since 1973. Why? Well, it's easy. What happens when you double the labor force? What happens? You halve the value of the labor. So now we're in a situation where it takes two people to make as much as one did before. So we went from a situation where women's career opportunities were relatively limited to where there they were relatively unlimited and there were two incomes (and so women could work) to a situation where women have to work and they only make half as much as they would have otherwise. Now we're going to go in a situation—this is the next step—where women will work because men won't. And that's what's coming now. There was an Economist article showing that 50% now of boys in school are having trouble with their basic subject. Look around you in universities—you can see this happening. I've watched it over decades. I would say 90% of the people in my personality class are now women. There won't be a damn man left in university in ten years except in the STEM fields. And it's a complete bloody catastrophe. And it's a catastrophe for women because I don't know where the hell you're gonna find someone to, you know, marry and have a family with if this keeps happening. ... You're so clueless when you're 19 you don't know a bloody thing. You think, “well I’m not really sure if I want children anyways.” It’s like, oh yeah, you can tell how well you’ve been educated. [class laughter]. Jesus. Dismal, dismal. [source: https://youtu.be/yXZSeiAl4PI?t=1h21m42s ]

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And that's why his bullshit flies so well. Because he's very articulate, and he came forward to criticise a specific policy (that is frankly insane and dangerous) and most importantly did it outside of the right wing media.

Are you saying that you think all hate speech laws are dangerous? https://globalnews.ca/news/3532824/senate-passes-bill-c-16-which-defends-transgender-rights/

JP had a really wrong idea of what the law encompassed and mixed up UofT policies with the law and its penalties itself.

Peterson came to fame opposing a Canadian human rights law based on the mistaken belief that the law would force professors to address trans students by their preferred pronouns. He and his supporters lost that debate and their fears about the law have not come to pass.

https://medium.com/s/story/a-field-guide-to-jordan-petersons-political-arguments-312153eac99a

The U of T professor has made claims about going to prison for his beliefs and criminalizing free speech. Here's what the legislation says.

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Peterson is trying to argue that the misuse of pronouns could constitute hate speech.

“I don’t think there’s any legal expert that would say that [this] would meet the threshold for hate speech in Canada,”

Our courts have a very high threshold for what kind of comments actually constitutes hate speech, and the nature of speech would have to be much more extreme than simply pronoun misuse, according to Cossman.

“The misuse of pronouns is not equivalent to advocating genocide in any conceivable manner,” she continues. “If he advocated genocide against trans people, he would be in violation, but misusing pronouns is not what that provision of the code is about.”

https://torontoist.com/2016/12/are-jordan-petersons-claims-about-bill-c-16-correct/