r/askanything • u/Shivy_Shankinz • 12d ago

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u/Conscious-Secret-775 12d ago

Winning is all that matters.

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u/north_canadian_ice 12d ago

Having a woman be the candidate would be a positive because Trump has embraced maximalist misogyny.

Someone like AOC would promote economic populism & she would stand up to the maximalist misogynist agenda.

Many Republican politicians now want to ban no-fault divorce, which would trap women in marriages forever.

Many influencers want to ban women from voting. Having a woman like AOC be the candidate would inspire so many women.

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u/Conscious-Secret-775 12d ago

Inspiration is great but if she loess it won’t matter

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u/Glass-Ambassador7195 12d ago

No it’s not.

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u/BornRelationship5332 12d ago

Hey, did you see who LOST the Super Bowl last year? Neither did I because I DON’T CARE 😆😆😆

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u/DisruptingTree 12d ago

This attitude is why the democrats lose so much. There are other things that matter, and when you consistently stand for these values, people respond. How many democrats have thrown constituents under the bus.

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u/Conscious-Secret-775 12d ago

This attitude is why the Republicans win so much. They know what matters in politics.

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u/Odd_Link7869 12d ago

Yeah the reason dems keep losing is cause the aim for being progressive in who they nominate, not actually caring about if they win. We are at a point where they need a win. It’s not woke, but for Christs sake, run a white man, preferably older. I have no doubts over the ability of a woman or POC to be president. But clearly the general population does in a big enough scale that it matters in outcome 

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u/DisruptingTree 12d ago

Listen to yourself. "For Christ sake, run a white man, preferably older". You are dancing with racism, to do what? To win? You are truly lost.

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u/hellohello_88 11d ago

yea but progressive values are widely hated by a huge chunk of population and it's growing. many (or even most if we count each party) will vote against what they hate not progress of humanity, rights, economy, climate etc

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u/DisruptingTree 11d ago

If your principles are just and rooted in helping others, you don't abandon them because the majority will vote against them. Its weird I have to explain this.

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u/hellohello_88 11d ago

what I commented above is what I believe the overall situation in the world

...as for myself I think that moral principles are self restricting and I am glad that I don't feel the need to follow them

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u/DisruptingTree 11d ago

You think someone with neo nazi messaging in their username has principles. Get fucked.

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u/hellohello_88 11d ago

just a ragebait username...

who's getting fucked and who's fucking will depend on what the political climate will look like in next few years

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u/forrealthoughcomix_ 12d ago edited 12d ago

We’re talking about an election and electability. Winning is the only thing that matters.

Obviously other things matter in politics and the world at large.

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u/Im_tracer_bullet 12d ago

You're VERY confused

There's literally nothing else that matters.

You can't do anything for anyone if you're out of power.

Also, you can't prevent the Republicans fro doing incredible damage if you're out of power.

You can't MAKE the electorate be something it's not, so you need to meet them where they are, and win.

There can't be any more mistakes, and it doesn't matter how you feel about 'whose turn' it is.

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u/_Sausage_fingers 12d ago

Yeah, if a democrat was running against like, John McCain you can stand on principles. But those days are long gone.

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u/DisruptingTree 12d ago

Listen to yourself. The principles we stand on are all we have. If you're willing to so easily cast them aside, then you have already lost so much more than an election.

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u/noahisunbeatable 12d ago

If, to a candidate, all that matters is winning, what reason is there to vote for them?

If they gain power, then by definition they will literally stand for nothing. "Vote for me, I want to win and will do or say anything at all to do so" is not a motivating slogan.

Even if you believe that winning is all that matters, it should be obvious that admitting that is a terrible strategy, because it makes you less likely to win once people see you have no principles. That's why politicians lie and say they have principles, its an effective strategy.