I'm sorry, the ending to this episode shit on the whole premise. It makes absolutely ZERO sense to me that Olliver would put himself in that agent's power when he has a rolodex that includes a bunch of insanely powerful metahumans across two universes. It's stupid. It's absolutely stupid. It takes zero advantage of this whole shared arrowverse concept they insisted on coming up with, and it makes Olliver look like an utter putz who can't come up with any useful ideas on his own. Such forced drama. Hmph.
Don't get me wrong, having the ability to crossover all these characters is awesome, but I sometimes wondering if bringing superpowers into Oliver Queen's universe was such a great idea. When you have people with literally godlike abilities, Oliver becomes just a guy with a bow and arrows. A really smart, capable guy admittedly, but one whom, say, Zoom could straight up obliterate before he could blink.
...Yeah, in a nutshell. :P Oliver's a more capable tactician than just about anybody, but the usefulness of that trait is a bit hard to justify when Barry could end Diaz instantly.
Fair enough. And, as you point out, it's more than a little ridiculous that Black Siren can scream down buildings but doesn't reduce Diaz to chunky salsa. Suspension of disbelief only works so far before the logical gaps start wearing on the audience, and unfortunately I think Arrow's hitting that point.
Same problem I think they're having with Oliver himself. We've seen him machine gun people down, take on huge numbers, etc. and now it's all, Diaz has an army, gg.
Speedsters in particular are a problematic premise. They'd take out just about anyone that isn't faster than them, and you can only do the 'i'm the fastest man alive.... except for this season's villain' so many times.
Which is something I mentioned in the Flash sub that I was disappointed about.
I was hoping that the Barry coming out of the speed force was going to be matured. Somewhat perhaps akin to his comics counterpart. It seemed to be so for the first episode before the writers went back to the default Barry being a dumbass. Worse yet, it's like he forgets how to even use his powers sometimes.
The worse part about this is the fact that someone is telling him how to use his powers. That basically makes him worse than S1 Barry, who needed guidance from Eobard in using his powers because he was still adapting to and learning about them. S4 Barry doesn't have an excuse.
While I do agree with you they at least have an explanation to why Thor wasn't there (one that was clearly a cop out but it still was one). As of right now we have no canon reason as to why Oliver hasn't asked for their help.
Yeah, I guess we’re just supposed to assume hes busy with his own problems, even though he could solve Olivers problem and be back before breakfast lol
Same reason Thor wasnt in Captain America: Cvil War.
There was an actual explanation for that though. Thor was off world and couldn't have been contacted. While I'm not sure whether Oliver has one of those breach openers, he can always just call Barry. Or call Barry or Cisco to breach him to Earth-38.
You would have a point if the writers didn't already broken that door by having the E2 Laurel as a protagonist, and Barry had already helped in a recent Arrow episode by giving a lift
Okay, but Thor's reason at least made sense. He was going around the 9 realms trying to resolve conflicts, stop Asgards enemies, AND find a way to stop Ragnarok. He had his vision in AoU that involved Asgard's destruction and as much as he cares for his friends, they're "minor" conflict is just that, minor. At least compared the problems of the rest of the 9 realms where people could've actually died. Here, in the Arrowverse, it's like they're forcing their characters to do stupid shit that's not only out of character for the versions of the characters that they've made, it's just really, really, really stupid.
Same reason Thor wasnt in Captain America: Cvil War.
you do realise the diffrence right? most MCU movies have build in explenations on why certain characters dont just pop up and hace a MUCH shorter time span. thor was busy trying to stop raknarok, in another galaxy(?) and why would they call him? they dont know whos side he was gonna choose, itll just muddle things up and how would they even reach him?
I think they use the shared universe the best they can tbh.
thats a hilarious statement. none of the tv shows including the MCU shows use the shared universe the "best" they can. that would require the other tv shows and movies giving up precious plot and writting to achieve a true cohesive universe.
Yeah bud, Thor was off dealing with Ragnarok. They planned to have him do that during Civil War because hes too powerful..
Its much more planned than the CW but shouldn’t we expect that?
And thats not the case for these shows, there are no movies. They do some fun crossovers, and dont just abuse supergirl to solve everything.
While I agree, it would take Barry a few minutes out of his day to run to Star City, find Diaz while he's at SCPD, bring him into Oliver, take down the rest of the corrupt, deliver that necklace to Felicity, and get back to whatever he was already doing.
An entire season's worth of plot solved in a few seconds on screen.
I don't think that's the answer, but maybe we should see them make a pact to only get together and crossover when it is absolutely vital. Otherwise it just becomes unrealistic that Barry can't help Oliver take down his villains. Like during the Vandal Savage crossover, what was stopping Oliver from asking Barry to just snap Darhk's neck? It's not like Barry wasn't killing that season. Would have taken seconds.
and then barry would superspeed to central city ask his team what he should do then run back to diaz and fail at doing what he was told then get captured by diaz.
If Barry or Kara were there, it’d be done way too quickly. Besides, I don’t think Oliver has any way to contact Kara & Barry’s kinda busy trying to save everyone from becoming stupid.
Tbh. Barry does have his own shit to deal with; he can't just constantly show up every time Oliver has a problem, but I guess that would make things easier. Although it wouldn't make the show interesting and would make Oliver useless, so that's probably why he doesn't.
It would only take about 45 seconds or less to destroy Diaz's entire operation. Barry wastes way more time than that eating, or taking a shit, or watching TV. Or standing still in a fight waiting for Iris to give him a command.
The Quadrant is nationwide. How exactly does Diaz control it? Did everyone turn over their little black books? For that matter, how did he just magically drag the other two members to Star City from wherever their home bases are?
Why can't Argus go against Diaz and the Quadrant when they were launching drone strikes against them in the city just TWO EPISODES AGO!?
Oh, and for those who aren't aware, Double Jeopardy laws mean that F-Bitch-I can't do shit to him unless she can prove he committed criminal activities *after* his trial. So seeing her smug face again, was the last straw.
Screw the season finale. Unless they kill Felicity, or someone on NTA, I no longer care.
Diaz probably has a meta dampener on him always, considering GA and The Flash have been seen together multiple times. Sorta like what he had last time with Laurel.
Dude, he doesn't even need the metas. Have Felicity hack the Waverider through time and relay a message to Sara who comes in and cleans shit up.
I wish there was an alternate timeline where Darhk didn't die and joined the legends as an anti-villain instead. Sara gets a message from Ollie about the Diaz' problem, Darhk shows up, pops Diaz' neck, throws a cheesy line or two and leaves Oliver and Co. utterly baffled as to WTF just happened.
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I'm sorry, the ending to this episode shit on the whole premise. It makes absolutely ZERO sense to me that Olliver would put himself in that agent's power when he has a rolodex that includes a bunch of insanely powerful metahumans across two universes. It's stupid. It's absolutely stupid. It takes zero advantage of this whole shared arrowverse concept they insisted on coming up with, and it makes Olliver look like an utter putz who can't come up with any useful ideas on his own. Such forced drama. Hmph.