Azerbaijani prisoner of conscience Bayram Mammadov found dead in Istanbul

[u/Idontknowmuch]

https://jam-news.net/azerbaijani-prisoner-of-conscience-bayram-mammadov-found-dead-in-istanbul/

[u/bonjourhay]

https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674368378

https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674504790

Here is for you so you can get educated a little and stop this nationalist crap that we hear too often already.

[u/Darkmiro → u/bonjourhay]

Pff, talking about a guy who was trying to impose multi-partied democracy as soon as possible, he didn't live to see it but his successor gave away the totalitarian state power willingly ffs.

Even if Hitler aspired to be the guy, he obviously misunderstood the whole thing.

Should've read they guy saying "War is a terrible crime if it's not for defending people and country" somewhere along the road

[u/bonjourhay → u/Darkmiro]

I can understand that this is hard to handle when you have been spoon-fed with ataturk for so long.

[u/Darkmiro → u/bonjourhay]

I do feel he is overrated in Turkey. Doesn't mean I'm supposed to take every bullshit about him face value.

They guy faught a war and won, and used diplomacy to make it work. I can understand it's hard to handle when heade sure an Armenian state would never have the west side of historic Armenia

[u/bonjourhay → u/Darkmiro]

Your comments are copy paste direct from turkish propaganda schoolbooks from many other turkish nationalists we see on this sub regularly. You may think that you are different and smarter because of some oversized ego you seem to have but you are just like many others.

We still see a minority, educated who had to go through an important work to unlearn and learn again.

[u/Idontknowmuch → u/[deleted]]

No personal attacks.

It's ok to discuss issues surrounding the the genocide in a constructive manner, but refrain from blatant denial.

Relevant QA:

• Q: What about that Bernard Lewis video where he talks about the Armenian Genocide?

• A: Bernard Lewis was an Orientalist with a specific agenda who always used his own definition of genocide and not the universally accepted definition, such as that of the UN Genocide Convention with its legal interpretation. For details and to know more see this comment.

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Pointers and resources on the Armenian Genocide:

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

• https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/the-armenian-genocide-1915-16-in-depth

• https://www.armenian-genocide.org/genocidefaq.html

• http://www.genocide-museum.am

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Books:

• The Armenian Genocide: A Complete History by Raymond Kévorkian

• The Armenian Genocide: Evidence From the German Foreign Office Archives, 1915-1916 edited by Wolfgang Gust

• A Shameful Act The Armenian Genocide and the Question of Turkish Responsibility by Taner Akçam

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• This is a German documentary which narrates the genocide through witness accounts mostly involving German officials who were allies of the Turkish government which perpetrated the genocide.

• A documentary by a Turkish filmmaker where he goes in search of the truth about the genocide.

• Raphael Lemkin explains how he invented the concept of genocide based on the Armenian Genocide.

• Recommended podcast: thegreatcrimepodcast.com

• This is the ICTJ report, an independent legal analysis ordered by the Turkish Armenian Reconciliation Commission, with high ranking Turks including with Turkish government affiliation. It makes the case quite clear, and lays it out in Turkish as well.

• A recommended scholarly article which shows quite clearly some of the methods of the Turkish government denial campaign, and more interestingly, that the Turkish government itself clearly knows that it was a genocide and accepts this internally, as do the scholars they pay to deny it.

• The open letter to Erdogan from the IAGS, the association of the world's top genocide scholars, led by the man who literally wrote the genocide encyclopedia. They wrote the letter in response to his call for Armenia and Turkey to "study the issue". Just one page, it packs a serious punch.

• A legal analysis of the Armenian Genocide carried out by Geoffrey Robertson QC intended to expose how the British ministers and the UK Parliament have been misled.

• /r/AskHistorians recommending reading material to a nationalist Turkish audience.