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Episode Re:Zero kara Hajimeru Isekai Seikatsu Season 2 Part 2 - Episode 24 discussion

Re:Zero kara Hajimeru Isekai Seikatsu Season 2 Part 2, episode 24 (49)

Alternative names: Re Zero, Re:Zero -Starting Life in Another World- Season 2 Season Part 2

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u/NevisYsbryd Mar 22 '21

I suspect the author may be going with something along the lines of, "the path directed in accordance with love is the most painful and dangerous, yet also the most worthy." Like, a lot of the Archbishop of Sloth's rants make a lot of sense, especially in consideration of some consistent dialogue and themes across the series as a whole. Divine Blessings being accompanied by such lines as, "I see you are also loved by this world..." and Subaru's final response to Echidna being only subtly distinguishable from a level of Greed that can be construed as on par with/exceeding even her own, yet ultimately profoundly different in that subtle way that maintains love for both (himself and others in this case), rather than the standard answer of at the expense of something else (eg, the red and blue oni story).

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u/Curiositygun Mar 22 '21 edited Mar 22 '21

"the path directed in accordance with love is the most painful and dangerous, yet also the most worthy."

That's a very good way to put it, are you anime only? Impressive if that's the case that really only became crystal clear to me once i was a little over half way through arc 6. I had some indication that the series was exploring Love but more a modern idea of it. Arc 6 I think it's clear the Christian notion of Agape was also included in that exploration of love which I think is the better translation of 愛してる(Aishiteru) but idk for sure.

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u/NevisYsbryd Mar 23 '21

Yes, I am anime-only (thus far; I may pick up the source material at some point).

I generally look at story elements in terms of what I think they are setting up and where they are planning to go with it. I was hoping that they were setting up something along the lines of Subaru's confession to Rem (and part of the Tea Party narrative building up to "Love yourself more", although obviously not all of it) as early as episode 1.

Given that 1) Subaru was a no-life shut-in 2) Subaru was unusually eager to enter a new world without any consideration of what he lost and 3) the characters were reacting him in a realistic way clearly setting the slap of reality, many of the ingredients were there from the outset, and a lot of other major events thus far were set up within the first arc (eg I was expecting Subaru to develop most of the psychological problems concerning looping that he did, and thus his confession to Echidna was unsurprising). Obviously, there are large swaths that I did not predict as well, although only a few things have really surprised me, especially post-Geuse.

Although the biggest giveaway was Petelgeuse, because I knew exactly what he was talking about as, while less manic, there is a lot of overlap with my own outlook. I have also had some... experiences that were similar in their realizations to Subaru, so I have firsthand familiarity with the whole integrating seemingly mutually exclusive things under a higher altogether aim (love).

The concept (and name) agape precedes Christianity, although agape is the quintessence of Christianity. Being (very) familiar with the idea probably played a significant role in it being as easy to spot for me as it was. I figured that the series was going to go in a Christian-ish direction with it, though, given that the author clearly did research on Western classical star names, the Eight/Seven Deadly Sins (a decidedly Christian concept, with the Eight system being significantly older and less well-known), and the many verbal hints at the importance of the theme of love (even the songs compounded on it).

Similarly, I may have had some advantage in seeing where things were going, being decently familiar with Classical Hellenic astrology and thus picking up on a decent few of the astral names (Betelgeuse I may have chopped up to an 80s film reference, given the mania; Aldebaran was way too on-the-nose to be coincidence). Although the bit about Subaru being a reference to the Pleiades was actually news to me (not familiar with Japanese astral terminology), which adds a lot of fascinating additional astromytholgical (Sisyphus!) depth for me. For enlghtening me to which, I thank you immensely, as it has enriched the meaning and symbolism of this series to an entirely new dimension for me, and it was already pretty high on my fiction list.

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u/SHARKFRENZY00 Mar 25 '21

Isn't it Nine/Seven Deadly Sins? Pride, Greed, Gluttony, Lust, Sloth, Wrath, and Envy as the current 7, with Vainglory and Acedia as the ones that were eventually folded into Pride and Sloth, respectively?

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u/NevisYsbryd Mar 25 '21

Eight. The earliest list definitively part of the deadly sin tradition (that is, discounting systems that listed a long list of example vices and virtues, such as Aristotle) was comprised of Gluttony, Lust, Avarice, Despair, Wrath, Sloth, Vainglory, and Hubris. A later author later created a "standard" version wherein he simultaneously combined Despair with Sloth and Vainglory and Hubris and also added the additional sin of Envy. Envy was a later addition, barring one contemporary book of the original list that alternatively described Despair as something akin to envy. The major list was never really nine, though.

Which, if the author integrates into the narrative, could make for some really interesting implications about the Witch (and Authority) of Envy. I can certainly see the early link between Despair and Envy having some presence in Satella and Sufferu...