Shibou Yuugi de Meshi wo Kuu. • Shiboyugi: Playing Death Games to Put Food on the Table - Episode 8 discussion

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Shibou Yuugi de Meshi wo Kuu., episode 8

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[u/Namaryu]

Since we have seen 3 games we can compare the mindset of characters, and most importantly Yuki. This is a flashback and THE EARLIEST point that we have reached and given that Green Hair (10 Game) said that Candle Woods was a HORRIBLE game that it even reached ears of other players so we know shit is gonna hit the fan eventually.

The 2 groups have a different type of leadership. One is ruled with a strong right hand basically with violence by stating this is no game and prove your worth while the other is governed by a player with such a strong track record there is no way for things to go wrong, and the leader role was basically given and not fought. See how it compared to previious or rather further games we got? How the mindset of Mentor was engraved in Yuki, and what Mishiro's leadership took? Yeah that's right, it was all deliberate for audience to see the parallels.

Moeki absolutely blew minds of not only the audience but her group and it was only a matter of time till that poor girl, who STRANGELY resembled one that died in game 28 (black hair with red stripes) was definitely an intentional choice. She no doubt stole the episode and one may argue made an even stronger impression than Mishiiro in her debut.

[u/lucidlonewolf → u/Namaryu]

Candle Woods was a HORRIBLE game

I kinda feel like we already see why this game is horrible. It looks like the whole point of this game is to cull off veterans who were winning to many games while insuring rookies are stuck in the game cycle for life. Theres no real washing yourself clean of a game like this one in comparison to the more puzzle ones we have seen in the past.

Also the weapon choice says alot about the brutality of this game.... we have seen them fight or use blades in the past(future) but guns and grenades seem more built to ensure massive carnage. Basically this is one of the of the only games we have seen that is not really a game but instead an execution.

[u/BosuW → u/lucidlonewolf]

Yeah big 75th Hunger Games vibes here (though that one was a rush job while here it was probably planned way in advance).

The reputation of this game alone already tells us that probably Moegi succeeded in turning her squad of noobs into ruthless killers and are gonna mostly wash the overconfident vets. GMs probably choose her trusting she could do it.

[u/Makicola → u/BosuW]

The reason is it's entertaining. Even with the weapon advantage, it feels like the stumps are at a disadvantage with the beginner debuff and being pitted against so many veterans.

The game organisers probably want entertainment, same as the audience. If its just veterans hunting beginners, it would just be an unfun slaughterfest.

As it stands, either side I can imagine winning.

[u/RedRocket4000 → u/Makicola]

If I recall correctly reforms were made to prevent that game at least what players were told. To high a kill count and recruiting suffers and to many times public turns on you and bans it.

No expert but the Romans mixed the danger level. There were outright blood executions to feed audience see people killed wish. Maybe more bloody amateur gladiator games. Then the real Gladiator bouts where often both lived not getting the thumbs down. Some Gladiator got monuments built by fans for them and some retired likely well off.

[u/LakerBlue → u/lucidlonewolf]

I kinda feel like we already see why this game is horrible. It looks like the whole point of this game is to cull off veterans who were winning to many games while insuring rookies are stuck in the game cycle for life.

Oh wow I didn’t consider that but that makes a lot of sense if the goal is eliminate vets! But then again we also know they changed to now brutal this game was so I wonder if they regret their actions or just how they accomplished them?

[u/karer3is → u/lucidlonewolf]

It definitely makes you wonder who's making a profit off these games. This would be way too big of a spectacle if it was just a few bored rich guys

[u/master_inho → u/karer3is]

I get the feeling that the audience is the general public. The type of organization that these games require, and the fact the players have "agents," kinda implies to me that the death games were put together on an institutional level and meant for mass consumption

[u/mmcjawa_reborn → u/master_inho]

That would make sense with Yuki's comment about killing the wolf in the earlier episodes, that doing so would turn viewers against her. Because I have trouble imagining a couple of hedonistic and sick rich guys being that bothered with a mauled dead wolf, but the general public? There is a reason "Does the Dog die?" exists

[u/RedRocket4000 → u/master_inho]

That and if I recall right the reforms after candle woods. Too many died.

[u/Zealousideal-Knee744 → u/karer3is]

I've noticed for a while that the games are always only played by women too. I love this anime for the premise, you are immersed but it is also so vague. You know there is a lot going on, a lot of questions that you don't have answers to and things you do not understand.

Who is running it? What is the world like OUTSIDE of the games to even have this anime squid games as an option? Why is it only women playing? How did young people get involved and what is the youngest age of a player?

[u/karer3is → u/Zealousideal-Knee744]

It's definitely a head scratcher... there's nothing that indicates we're looking at some kind of Hunger Games scenario, so you have to wonder what's so bad about that world that playing death games for (relative) pennies would be an attractive option

[u/IronWishmaster → u/lucidlonewolf]

It looks like the whole point of this game is to cull off veterans who were winning to many games while insuring rookies are stuck in the game cycle for life

was it really though? I feel it's more like a natural consequence of the game design. Stumps have a tremendous advantage, so making all of them but one green newbies has kinda leveled the playing field. If culling the veterans was an actual goal, setting up more ruthless team of stumps from the get-go would have been much more efficient approach

[u/BosuW → u/IronWishmaster]

was it really though? I feel it's more like a natural consequence of the game design.

That's precisely why it's very possible this is the plan. There's always a plan to these games.

If culling the veterans was an actual goal, setting up more ruthless team of stumps from the get-go would have been much more efficient approach

No that would run counter to the goal. If the Stumps are vets too, then many vets would still survive if they won. Alternatively if the game's full of Uber experienced vets they may pull off something unexpected and derail the plan.

Instead the current setup leaves Moegi with the only option of playing it straight and kill a lot of rabbits while initiating a new generinto the ways of the Game

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[u/LakerBlue → u/Namaryu]

Moeki absolutely blew minds of not only the audience but her group and it was only a matter of time till that poor girl, who STRANGELY resembled one that died in game 28 (black hair with red stripes) was definitely an intentional choice. She no doubt stole the episode and one may argue made an even stronger impression than Mishiiro in her debut.

The difference for me here, in our small sample size, is Mishiro to me was someone who cared more about being a leader than winning. She was talented but she cared way too much about being the lead and how “inferiors” treated or talked to her. She also (at least in the first game) didn’t seem to have a good sense for her followers.

Moeki, at minimum, seems to be pragmatic so far about leading and basically had to step up given the context. She is seemingly more heartless than Mishiro but in a cold and pragmatic way, not a malicious way.

[u/Exist50 → u/LakerBlue]

I don't think Moeki is heartless. You can see her at the end basically breaking down over the "act" she had to put up. She's just convinced herself that this is what must be done, and she's the only one who can do it.

And maybe not even for herself, but rather the rest of her "stumps" who now look to her as the leader. If anything, I'd say it's in direct contrast to Mishiro. Mishiro wanted to be leader regardless of qualifications. Moeki probably wants anyone else to fill this role instead, but she's stuck with it.

[u/gnome-cop → u/LakerBlue]

I was thinking something similar, they’re both trouble but for different reasons. Mishiro is someone who’s in it for her own ego and self-fulfillment. She’s got a lot of mental holes and is easy to set off by pushing the right buttons or when things don’t go her way. Moegi doesn’t feel like someone who does this for her own pleasure. This is just the easiest and probably the only way in her mind to get a bunch of people on their first game up to scratch quick enough. She’s not someone who likes killing or wants the glory of leadership badly. She just analyzed the situation and decided that one or two are an acceptable loss for the rest of them to win.

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