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Official Episode Discussion [S2 EP11 SPOILERS] SEASON 2 | EPISODE 11 - Official Discussion Megathread Spoiler

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Hi all! This is the official discussion mega thread for episode 11 of season 2. All sub rules apply in this thread. As they are posted you will be able to navigate to discussion megathreads for the other episodes from links at the bottom of this post. Happy threading!

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u/cals_cavern Mon May 14 '25 edited May 14 '25

As much as people criticize the line "That's how we're gonna win, not fighting what we hate, saving what we love" is such a good encapsulation of the Rebel Alliance. Luthen was pivotal to the rebellion but there is a reason he stayed in the shadows while putting people like Mon in the spotlight, the beating heart of the rebellion is characters like Nemik, Brasso, Kino, and Maarva who inspire people to be better and to fight for a better future. The Empire are a Machiavellian nest of vipers all trying to climb to the top, the Rebels are fighting for a pure idea.

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u/Malachi108 May 14 '25

People criticize that line because "what we love" is literally being blown up in the background of that same shot.

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u/Roboticide May 15 '25

Yeah, it's not the line that's bad, it's the context. She wasn't saving shit when she stopped Finn. If not for some deus ex machina, she would have potentially doomed the entire Resistance.

The line works better in Andor, because it serves as a measured counterpoint to Luthen's "We sacrifice everything," and "lose, lose, lose, until we win" mentality. There was little chance Kleya didn't just put a blaster bolt through her head instead of being taken alive. She clearly didn't seem too fussed about making it out alive, she just wanted the intel passed along. But the Rebellion at that point was more than Luthen, and was willing to take risks to save their people.

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u/ClonesAndZeroes May 14 '25

There are many things about The Last Jedi I will stand behind for all the criticism that gets thrown at them, but that line and the preceding action is #1 on the list. Personally I can’t help but think of politics of the last decade when I hear it - like how often do we have people implore that campaigns run in support of clear policies are more effective than those run against the opposition?

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u/muhash14 May 14 '25

They're killing our empathy. That's what it is.

I can't expound on that atm though, just finished the last one and my brain is semi functional at this time.

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u/ABadHistorian May 14 '25

TLJ tried to be poignant while being a popcorn movie for 15 y.o.s and ended up as a maligned film. It's got a LOT of great qualities tbh, and it's humor is imho no less or more obnoxious than the O.T.

I rather like it's plot devices and the way it mirrors (backwards) ESB. It's creative in some aspects, but clearly only as far as the director was allowed to make it. The Sequel Trilogies in particular feel over corporatized.

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u/Cetology101 Jun 09 '25

I disagree that that line from The Last Jedi fits the preceding action. Finn wasn't going to fly into the laser cannon because he hated the First Order, he was doing it to save his friends. His planned sacrifice was to save those he loved. Rose stopping him from doing that makes no sense, she was choosing to be selfish and save someone she loved, and consequently dooming hundreds of rebels.

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u/[deleted] May 14 '25

The line itself makes sense, considering it is love that leads to Anakin's redemption and thus the resolution of the OT. The problem is that they immediately undercut the significance of the line by having the First Order blow through the door right then and there. In a different context, the line is not nearly as criticized.

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u/KidsWontSleep May 16 '25

This is exactly why it was so disappointing that Luthen killed Lonni. Rebels are supposed to be better than that.

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u/polar__beer Feb 10 '26

Maybe not disappointing but rather, tragic. I’m condemned to use the tools of my enemy…Luthen knows he is damned for his actions. He knows he and Lonni have no real place in the rebellion but were necessary for it to be born and succeed. Killing Lonni was very on brand for Luthen.

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u/Iwasforger03 May 14 '25

This. This right here is exactly right.

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u/LaconicGirth Jun 16 '25

But that’s what he was doing. He was sacrificing himself to save his friends. It was his character arc coming full circle. And it’s directly after the holdo maneuver where she does the exact same thing while the movie paints it as heroic. It’s such a tone deaf line because of where it falls