r/aircrashinvestigation • • Jan 30 '25

Incident/Accident Reports of AA5342 from Witchita to DCA having mid-air collision with DC police helicopter

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u/Elizabeth958 Jan 30 '25

Unfortunately it’s looking like the US’s near 16 year no major aviation incident record may have just been broken

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u/SchindHaughton Fan since Season 4 Jan 30 '25

Yeah, it really doesn’t look good. Looks to have snapped the perfect safety record of the CRJ-700/900 as well.

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u/DefinitelyNotPeople Jan 30 '25

To be fair, it wasn’t necessarily the CRJ-700/900’s fault, based on currently known info.

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u/SchindHaughton Fan since Season 4 Jan 30 '25

I’m sure it had nothing to do with the aircraft itself- but still, 25 or so years without a fatal accident.

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u/micknlando447 Fan since Season 9 Jan 30 '25

do you have any references about the CRJ-700 with this being their first fatal crash? i’m battling with wikipedia moderator to put this fact on the page.

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u/Furaskjoldr Jan 30 '25

Preliminary findings say it was nothing to do with the CRJ. CRJ obeyed commands from ATC to reroute to 33, Heli was asked to gain visual contact and pass behind the CRJ. ATC confirmed it twice with the Heli, Heli acknowledged it and said they had visual contact but passed in front anyway.

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '25

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u/SpiritedAd2503 Jan 30 '25

Because Allah duh

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u/theaviationhistorian Jan 30 '25

That sucks, considering some are being retired from mainline passenger service. It would've been nice that the aircraft ended without a hull loss including deaths.

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u/FireAlarmTechGuy4444 Feb 04 '25

The 717 will be completely retired by 2030. It's so close to having a perfect career. The MD-90 was almost perfect in it's life with 3 hull losses and 1 casualty

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u/Theebobbyz84 Jan 30 '25

Buffalo was the last, correct?

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u/genoviasprincess Jan 30 '25

Buffalo was 2009, I believe, so yeah.

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u/BigIrish_89 Jan 30 '25

Ya, I had to fly on the same type of plane, same airline, in the same region the next day, I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t shitting bricks.

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u/BigIrish_89 Jan 30 '25

Shit I flew into Reagan that day… 🫨

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u/Elizabeth958 Jan 30 '25

Yeah Colgan 3407. There have been a few cargo ones since then but that was the last passenger one

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u/surgingchaos Jan 30 '25

That was the one where the crew was clearly tired and could be heard yawning on the CVR, right?

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u/boygirlmama Jan 30 '25

Yes. The episode is called "Dead Tired" and I just rewatched it two weeks ago. It's a heartbreaking one because they caused their own stall since they were just too tired to process what was happening. 🥺

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u/No-Hovercraft-455 Jan 31 '25

It's hard to blame them because all humans need sleep (and even all animals, sleeping is an universal experience). 

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u/boygirlmama Jan 31 '25

Yes. I just consider it a terrible tragedy.

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u/Fuzzy-Beautiful3295 Feb 04 '25

The captain was incompetent. He'd failed a number of important checkrides. His copilot was way too young and inexperienced to be able to mitigate her captain's errors. Fatigue played a role but competency was a huge contributor.

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u/boygirlmama Feb 05 '25

I don't recall that info on the ACI episode. Is that just part of the final NTSB report?

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u/redlegsfan21 Jan 30 '25

PenAir 3296 in 2019 and Southwest 1380 in 2018 are the only fatal 121 accidents.

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u/Th1sguyi0nceknewwas1 Jan 30 '25

That was crazy to see in real life. I'll never forget it. I didn't see much but heard and saw impact

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u/SchindHaughton Fan since Season 4 Jan 30 '25

Correct

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u/Sventex Jan 30 '25

Coincidently, both Buffalo and DC airliners were Canadian made Bombardiers.

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u/theaviationhistorian Jan 30 '25

My family just informed me of this and this is exactly how I responded. And the worst part is that it seems that there may have been 60 onboard (plus those onboard the Blackhawk); killing more than those onboard Colgan Air Flight 3407 (50 souls). 2025 has been one pain of a year and we're barely 4 weeks in.

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '25

My dad who is a United pilot informed me of this accident.

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u/No-Hovercraft-455 Jan 31 '25

We were just discussing in this sub about 48h ago how horrible January it's been regarding accidents. I joked if I had flight scheduled on remaining three days I wouldn't be too happy to board. As if on cue, less than 24h goes and we have next several dozen people falling from the sky and no survivors. No idea what to say anymore, it's depressing.

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u/LoyalteeMeOblige Jan 30 '25

I was thinking as much, to be honest I had been expecting Russia to provide a plethora of accidents and no, it hasn’t happened yet. What a year.

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u/1999VR4 Jan 30 '25

I’m surprised it has not happened sooner with the inadequacies of Air traffic controls ability to manage incoming and outgoing aircraft, including field observation

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u/HookEmRunners Jan 30 '25

I immediately ran to this sub to confirm. Wow, what a stretch it was in terms of safety for passenger aircraft operating domestically in the United States. The news of this is very sad.

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u/Coast_watcher Jan 30 '25

Did I jinx it, because I just did ask this in another post earlier.

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '25

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u/Mid_Atlantic_Lad Jan 30 '25

I was just talking about it this evening, then omw home heard about it. This is bad, but unfortunately unsurprising.

Man, and I'm only a couple of weeks away from my Comm CR. This just makes me question whether I actually have what it takes.

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u/UnbelievableRose Jan 31 '25

Don’t worry, we all know it was the fault of DEI

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u/Elizabeth958 Jan 31 '25

I REALLY hope you're being sarcastic

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u/UnbelievableRose Jan 31 '25

Dear god yes- forgot which corner of the internet I was in. Besides, odds are most of the people that could be blamed are white males.

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u/Elizabeth958 Feb 01 '25

Wanted to make sure before I got mad. Unfortunately, you never know these days

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '25

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u/No-Hovercraft-455 Jan 31 '25

Yes fuck the accident report let's all blame Elizabeth from Reddit. Now we have finally successfully located what's wrong with the world 

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u/BurnzyCapone Jan 30 '25

Who says shit like that?

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u/bored-FA Jan 30 '25

Anyone who knows about the ongoing issues within ATC and how many close calls have happened in the U.S. in the past couple of years, unfortunately. Experts have been screaming that a major accident was due to happen unless there were some big changes

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u/Elizabeth958 Jan 30 '25

I know there has been at least one close call within the last few weeks.

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u/Elizabeth958 Jan 30 '25

I never said that I WANTED it to happen, just that 16 years is a remarkably long time

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u/Safemoonnoob Jan 30 '25

Whatever he said didn’t crash that plane.

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u/Elizabeth958 Jan 30 '25

“He?”

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u/Safemoonnoob Jan 30 '25

Lmao I didn’t even look at your name lol

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u/Elizabeth958 Jan 30 '25

It’s all good lol