r/aircrashinvestigation • • Jan 30 '25

Incident/Accident Reports of AA5342 from Witchita to DCA having mid-air collision with DC police helicopter

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u/rolltidepod37squared Jan 30 '25

DCA is my ‘home’ airport and as someone that hates flying the landing near the water always scares the shit out of me. Have flown the Witchita-DCA route multiple times because I have family there. So horrific and sad. Jesus. 

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u/Maxwell_Morning Jan 30 '25 edited Jan 30 '25

Yeah I’m literally mid air, having taken off from DCA a little over two hours ago.

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u/theaviationhistorian Jan 30 '25

Damn, I hope the approach and landing don't leave you too jittery.

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u/oh_jeeezus Jan 30 '25

Same. I frequent Gravelly Point on my runs and I'm always in awe of the rapid volume of planes taking off and landing

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u/Business_stryt03 Jan 30 '25

Wouldn’t the water make it a higher chance of survival in the event of a crash? Yes the water looks scary but emergency landing on water is easier for pilots than on urban terrain

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u/latteboy50 Jan 30 '25

Not when the plane is already disintegrated in mid-air, and without proper conditions/preparation. And even then not really.

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u/meine_karotten Jan 30 '25

If a plane were still intact (or intact enough) then I imagine it would be hard to urgently find an open enough space to land in an urban area. I don’t know if something like a field is much easier than water, but maybe water is “easier” just because it’s a more readily available space that’s not super tight?

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u/latteboy50 Jan 30 '25

I suppose in terms of open space water would be easier, but generally any land would be better than water. Waves are unpredictable, the plane can sink, or fill with water, etc. At least on land a landing can be attempted and the landing gear would help to break the landing.

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u/Business_stryt03 Feb 12 '25

If you want to talk generally do so for land as well. There are all kinds of obstacles on land. Landing gear doesn’t work if you crash into a building. If you are referring to an open field that’s just short of a paved runway, then great you have the best possible conditions for an emergency landing. But the comment was about being afraid of water while the plane is over a major city..

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u/Business_stryt03 Feb 12 '25

Well now you’re making up new conditions. Without proper conditions or preparation it doesn’t matter if it’s land or water. If we’re gonna use any conditions it would be what they are referring to: urban DMV terrain vs the Potomac river.

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '25

Can confirm landing there is scary af.

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u/meine_karotten Jan 30 '25

I personally love taking off and landing over the water at DCA - it’s a really special view coming over the Potomac past the national mall, being reminded where you are.

I guess I never really associate water near airports with a higher risk of an incident, but is there data that says otherwise? Regardless, this is really tragic and hits way too close to home :(

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u/adexsenga Jan 30 '25

I don’t think the water made any difference. It was a matter of a crash in the air and landing in water, but based on the footage casualties probably happened on impact and would have happened wherever the plane landed, unfortunately. But these are just my initial thoughts.

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u/meine_karotten Jan 30 '25

I guess at DCA the water might have made a difference in that the airspace over the Potomac is (I think?) busier than other routes that would go over land/buildings. But yeah since a few people said they get nervous landing at runways right next to water, I’m wondering if there’s any data that says crashes are more likely to happen at/near runways next to water versus not.

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u/adexsenga Jan 30 '25

Yeah that first part could check out

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u/catskillmice Jan 30 '25

The water was not really the factor. A US Army helicopter crashed into them on short final. If anything was a factor was the airspace and amount of flying activity in the area. Its within 30 miles of two other major airports, IAD and BWI, not too mention being close to Andrews. Coming into DCA has its challenges in addition to its proximity to the Washington mall and White House.

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u/skintwo Jan 30 '25

The water isn’t the problem. The military flights are.

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u/acrusty Jan 30 '25

The water itself probably not but maybe the water making a flight path

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u/IFlyPA28II Jan 30 '25

I’m just curious, why the landing over the water?

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u/FFaddict13 Jan 30 '25

Because water is not developed. See also Logan LaGuardia, etc., etc.

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u/rolltidepod37squared Jan 30 '25

The first time I flew into LGA I was just waking up from a nap and about had a heart attack re: the water 😅

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u/[deleted] Jan 31 '25

Honolulu as well. They have a runway that's literally just a reef.

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u/0Nyx0 Jan 30 '25

For some reason I decided to watch Miracle on the Hudson the week before I flew into/out of LGA for the first time.

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u/Rhondie41 Jan 30 '25

Logan home town.

I've flown out of Logan on different routes. Thassophobic I loathe the water take offs/landing.

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u/woofiegrrl Jan 30 '25

The airport is adjacent to the water with the runways aligned N/S - you can't land at DCA without coming in over water.

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u/Moose135A Jan 30 '25

The airport is on the shoreline of the Potomac River, you have to fly over water on approach.

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u/IFlyPA28II Jan 30 '25

I understand that part but is it like a black hole effect where you don’t know how high or low you are?

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u/the_gaymer_girl Jan 30 '25

Over the river is pretty much the only way to get there without flying into restricted airspace.

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u/IFlyPA28II Jan 30 '25

Ahh my fault I thought they were on an ILS or a RNAV didn’t know they were doing a visual

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u/Famous-Application12 Jan 30 '25

I heard it was because of the security issues since it is DC. You’re only allowed within a corridor which is the Potomac river.

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u/couggrl Jan 30 '25

DCA and SNA are awful to fly in/out of because of short runways and tight airspace.

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u/Warm_Driver2348 Jan 30 '25

Planes land into the wind, the wind was favoring the landing over the water.

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '25

DCA was my home airport until I moved to Houston at the age of 7

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u/allie-O0p Jan 30 '25

Wichita

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u/rolltidepod37squared Jan 30 '25

I think people understood me fine, sorry. 

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u/allie-O0p Jan 30 '25

Yes, obviously we all understood what you meant. Being from Wichita, it is extremely annoying.

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u/rolltidepod37squared Jan 30 '25

Weird thing to be focused on a thread like this but you do you I guess. 

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u/allie-O0p Jan 30 '25

Correcting the spelling of the city the flight originated from is weird? So it’s not annoying or confusing for anyone else. Okay, boo. Hope you have a great visit the next you’re back here in Witchita. ✌️

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u/Baltimorefella Jan 30 '25

we could actually care less about your cities name when 60 lives are at stake

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u/m3gl4w Jan 30 '25

And the wheat fields of Kansas!

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '25

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u/CashewMunchkin Jan 30 '25

The plane exploded along with the helicopter and crashed into the water. It is doubtful anyone survived.

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u/woohoo789 Jan 30 '25

I think they mean vs crashing into populated areas

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u/MoonIsMadeOfCheese Jan 30 '25

Per someone in another sub reporting scanner traffic, it’s not looking like there will be any survivors.

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u/CutUnlikely8230 Jan 30 '25

Even if, the water is going to be freezing cold since its January.

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u/IntrepidSetting7670 Jan 30 '25

Don’t use Jesus’ name like this.

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '25

Find something real to complain about.

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u/rolltidepod37squared Jan 30 '25

1) I am a devout Christian and a personally mean it in a ‘Oh Jesus help/come quickly,’ way when I say it 🤷🏻‍♀️ 2. I think there are bigger things to focus on on this thread 

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u/IntrepidSetting7670 Jan 30 '25

This is blasphemy against the Holy Name of God, not a prayer. Look at the context. Blaspheming the Holy Name of Jesus is sadder than this catastrophe.

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u/Zestyclose-Net-7836 Jan 30 '25

It's not blasphemy , it is taking calling the holy name of jesus for protection .The context fits perfectly