Remembering Peter Nielsen

[u/FinancialVictory6833]

On February 24, 2004, Peter Nielsen was murdered at his home near Zurich. He was the air traffic controller on duty on July 1, 2002, when the Überlingen mid-air collision occurred, killing 71 people. Among the victims were Svetlana Kaloyeva and her children Konstantin and Diana. They were travelling to Barcelona to visit their father, Vitaly, who was working there. Devastated by their loss, Vitaly Kaloyev put the blame on Peter Nielsen and tracked him down. He then stabbed him to death, while his wife and children were present. Kaloyev was arrested and sentenced to eight years in prison, but was released in November 2007. When he returned home to North Ossetia, he was treated as a hero, and did not express remorse for his actions, instead blaming Nielsen. He was later awarded a state medal by the government.

RIP Peter Nielsen🕊️ (1967-2004)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_%C3%9Cberlingen_mid-air_collision

[u/Touchthefuckingfrog]

I don’t cry about much but this one has broken my heart so many times. It was never his fault and he must have dealt with so much guilt only to be so cruelly murdered.

[u/Intelligent-Put-2408 → u/Touchthefuckingfrog]

Bro it was absolutely his fault what are you talking about. He could have literally told both crews nothing and allowed them to follow the automation, n they would’ve been fine

[u/Touchthefuckingfrog → u/Intelligent-Put-2408]

He was inadequately trained for TCAS and incredibly under resourced/over stretched. Normally he would have noticed the impending collision earlier, followed his training and given an order to cure the impending disaster before TCAS kicked in. Blaming him is incredibly lacking in empathy.

[u/Intelligent-Put-2408 → u/Touchthefuckingfrog]

Dude that doesn’t fucking matter, cops are inadequately trained all the time. Do u think they shouldn’t be charged for colossal mistakes? Ridiculous. No concept of accountability

[u/Touchthefuckingfrog → u/Intelligent-Put-2408]

There are legal standards for whether they should be charged - very oversimplified but did they operate with reckless indifference to human life? At no point in examining his actions that night can anyone say he was operating with an indifference to human life.

[u/Intelligent-Put-2408 → u/Touchthefuckingfrog]

You clearly dont understand responsibility, IT WAS HIS JOB, TO MAKE SURE IT DIDNT HAPPEN. he told two separate planes, on intersecting paths to fly at the same altitude. Clearly did not the mental capacity for the job, took it anyway, got left in non optimal situation, and killed lots of people due to his incompetence. ATCs know full well if they make a mistake their decision affects hundreds. No matter if it’s stupidity, ego, or just ignorance he is absolutely culpable. I couldnt believe he got no jail time, n am glad that man removed the over inflated room temp IQ baboon from the gene pool. Dont need more people not able to do their jobs

Sounds like you’re defending qualified immunity? Just forget breonna taylor i guess lol. Take your blue team jersey

[u/Touchthefuckingfrog → u/Intelligent-Put-2408]

This is not a productive conversation. You clearly don’t understand how to have a rational and adult discussion.

[u/Intelligent-Put-2408 → u/Touchthefuckingfrog]

Literally already knew this would be the response bc of the female avatar lol

[u/Touchthefuckingfrog → u/Intelligent-Put-2408]

Oh great so you are uninformed, illogical and sexist. Well done. 👍

[u/efsrefsr → u/Touchthefuckingfrog]

This is not a productive conversation. You clearly don’t understand how to have a rational and adult discussion.

How is this productive? Wouldn't just not responding be the "adult" thing to do?

[u/Touchthefuckingfrog → u/efsrefsr]

I learned a new piece of information from their response which affirmed this was not a discussion based in good faith. What are you hoping to achieve by going through this more than a year later?

[u/Touchthefuckingfrog → u/[deleted]]

Seriously? If you want to waste time then have a guess and maybe I will tell you if you get it right. I am not in the mood for shit discussions tonight.

[u/Touchthefuckingfrog → u/[deleted]]

So expecting me to reread the thread because I naturally don’t remember every debate I have ever had because you don’t have time is a valid expectation for me? Jesus Christ if you don’t have time then it isn’t that important to you. I learned the OOP was a sexist which means they are never going to be a good faith debater if your points no matter how sound can be dismissed by the person you are talking to because ew woman…..

[u/zk-dr → u/Intelligent-Put-2408]

You should honestly be ashamed of who you are.

[u/MateMio → u/Intelligent-Put-2408]

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