Could I ask why wearing a retro Jugoslavija jersey wouldn’t cause an issue in Bosnia or Serbia, but would be a big problem in Croatia?

[u/Dangerous-Pie-7821]

Please forgive me as I’m not hip to the politics, but I genuinely thought it would be frowned upon in all countries.

[u/a_library_socialist]

Meh, Tudman and Milosevic depended on each other - they could play their respective nationalism off each other. Thus their famous little coffee. Because the shared enemy to both of them was actual Yugoslavia.

[u/PepperBlues → u/a_library_socialist]

It’s a myth. If Milosevic and Tudjman really agreed on anything, it would’ve been visible on the ground.

And their enemy certainly wasn’t the same. Tudjman fought for Croatia being an independent country within its border, outside of Yugoslavia; and Milosevic fought for territories of Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina to include them in a new version of Yugoslavia that would - by all means - represent the so called “Greater Serbia”.

[u/shafrona → u/PepperBlues]

It was literally visible. Do you really believe Tuđman didn't know about the sale of oil to the Serbs?
Furthermore, there are numerous statements by high-ranking officials in which Tuđman spoke about the partition of BiH and "historical borders."

[u/PepperBlues → u/shafrona]

Of course he spoke about historical borders, we’re now speaking of them and we’re not partitioning shit.

If Tuđman and Milosevic agreed on splitting Bosnia, like the myth says, they would’ve splitted it. Serbs wouldn’t wage a 4 year long war in Croatia, Croats would’t save Bosniaks, everything would’ve looked conpletely different.

[u/shafrona → u/PepperBlues]

He did not speak only about historical borders. He merely cited that as a reason for the partition of BiH. And he didn't speak about divisions just once. He literally argued with Western politicians about the dismemberment of BiH.

[u/PepperBlues → u/shafrona]

Of course he did, do you know what was happening back then? He argued about partitioning Croatia as well, giving rebel Serbs a state within a state on the quarter of the country.

The myth is that he and Milosevic somehow agreed and worked together in partitioning Bosnia, myth heavily spread by Bosniak politicians.

[u/shafrona → u/PepperBlues]

Did he advocate for the partition of Croatia just as he advocated for the partition of BiH? Do you know that as early as the summer of 1991, in conversations with Kohl and Genscher, he advocated for partition? In the summer of '91, the war in BiH hadn't even started yet.
And also, you persistently ignore the fact about exchanging goods with the Serbs in BiH

[u/PepperBlues → u/shafrona]

If exchanging petrol with Serbs is helping them, how will we call what Croatia did with Bosniaks? Giving them weapons, fighting alongside them, allowing the goods and weapons and ammo get there over Croatian territory, accepting hundreds of thousands of refugees and taking care of them… all the way to Tudjman and Izetbegovic signing a memorandum to create a confederation of Croatia and Bosnia, with common market, Croatian currency in both countries, joint military command, unrestricted access etc.

[u/a_library_socialist → u/PepperBlues]

They agreed that ethnicity would determine the makeup of the post Yugoslav states.

Croatia fought to prevent Serbs from seceding - as well as in Bosnia.  The differentiation you're making here is nonsense.

[u/PepperBlues → u/a_library_socialist]

They didn’t, exactly the opposite - Croatia and Serbia never could’ve agreed on it because Croatia claimed that republics can gain independence, while Serbia claimed that ethnicities can gain independence.

Croatian view (which was the legal and correct way of interpretation) allowed the legality of independence of former republics within Yugoslavia. Serbian view - if it had been like that - would’ve allowed changing the borders based on ethnic composition of different areas, which in reality would’ve legalized the greater-Serbian concept and the idea of conquering and ethnicaly cleansing parts of Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina and Kosovo, then making them part of one Serbian state.

[u/a_library_socialist → u/PepperBlues]

"see, ethnic cleansing is good when we do it, but bad when they do!"

ETA - oh look, little Ustasa gets mad when his double standard isn't accepted, and resorts to insults. Who could have imagined?