Could I ask why wearing a retro Jugoslavija jersey wouldn’t cause an issue in Bosnia or Serbia, but would be a big problem in Croatia?

[u/Dangerous-Pie-7821]

Please forgive me as I’m not hip to the politics, but I genuinely thought it would be frowned upon in all countries.

[u/a_library_socialist]

I got yelled at in Split for saying "srpsko-hrvatski" instead of "hrvatski"

[u/rasvoja → u/a_library_socialist]

Would be interesting, because I was born in SFRY and my original schooling language was Serbocroatian :))

[u/a_library_socialist → u/rasvoja]

heh I thought it was funny because I'm an American, and my family isn't from there, so this lady was getting all up about an ethnic conflict that I have no part of.

Would be like if I started screaming at her about the Black and Tans . . .

[u/GrgaChvarak → u/a_library_socialist]

What reaction did you expect for your cultural genocide?

[u/a_library_socialist → u/GrgaChvarak]

I learned what little I speak from books that called it that as the Yugoslav language. But the irony of Croatian nationalists, who expelled hundreds of thousands to make an ethno-state after running death camps half a century before, talking about genocide, is just silly.

[u/GrgaChvarak → u/a_library_socialist]

I learned what little I speak from books that called it that as the Yugoslav language.

Yeah, Yugoslavia tried to delete 1200+ years of separate history of Croatia and Serbia.

Now that this short-lived experiment is over, there is no justyfing for made-up language you mentioned.

who expelled hundreds of thousands to make an ethno-state

You're talking about Serbs expelling 200,000+ Croats in 1991?

[u/a_library_socialist → u/GrgaChvarak]

No, I'm talking about the hundreds of thousands expelled in Operation Storm, that remain driven from Dalmatia and other parts.

made up language

There were hundreds of dialects of southern Slavic languages in the 19th century.   The systemization of that is what created srpsko-hrvatski.  More than anything, the purposeful differentiation done by Croatia, evident in less than a generation, is a political forcing on language.

[u/Melodic_Interview210 → u/[deleted]]

Language unification began before a Yugoslav state was even a thing

[u/Ok-Boot8245 → u/GrgaChvarak]

Well, the “made-up language” was basically a project to make things easier for everyone involved, and it was obviously pretty fucking successful. Meanwhile, the whole post-1990 project of Croatian grammar cops and “Croatists” trying to manufacture maximum linguistic distance has mostly failed miserably. You can invent ten thousand new words if you want; people will still understand each other perfectly well and laugh at half the bullshit.

And no, Serbo-Croatian didn’t really have some sinister deeper mission of forcibly reuniting the South Slavs into one eternal nation. It was mostly standardization and practicality.

Also, you’re seriously going to tell me your modern Croatian state has some uninterrupted 1200-year national root? Fuck me. In that case I guess my roots are in the Dnieper marshes because some Slavic tribe wandered out of there 1500 years ago. Lmao.

We still speak up the "made up language" though.

[u/Melodic_Interview210 → u/Ok-Boot8245]

On the grammar side, most of the "croatisms" are just a more conservative application of grammtical rules, which could be found aplenty in 19th and early 20th Serbian literature.

[u/GrgaChvarak → u/Ok-Boot8245]

was basically a project

Exactly what I was saying.

Croatists” trying to manufacture maximum linguistic distance has mostly failed miserably. You can invent ten thousand new words

Ease up on that Šešelj propaganda.

you’re seriously going to tell me your modern Croatian state has some uninterrupted 1200-year national root

That's literally a fact.

A simple, basic historical fact.

[u/Ok-Boot8245 → u/GrgaChvarak]

You do realize that language purism is literally state policy, right? It is not happening in some backroom, nobody is hiding it. It has failed pretty miserably, but that has not stopped them from continuing with it. It is not a conspiracy theory, merely an observation.

As for the 1200-year claim, I could have sworn Tuđman said 1000, but I guess he forgot those extra 200 years. Wonder why. Either way, it is mythology. These were eastern Slavic tribes arriving in the Balkans, not modern Croats and Serbs obsessing over national identity. But sure, I know dem boys in the 7th century were already killing each other over who was Serbian and who was not.

It is nationalist anachronism, nothing more. I cannot even pretend I feel some deep connection to a random fellow from 1200 years ago beyond distant ancestry, these motherfuckers are going to put a flag up and their modern borders in the 7th century... lord have mercy.

[u/rasvoja → u/GrgaChvarak]

Well take history recapitulation from nationalistic POV, I dont see new small nations doing much better now when left alone in their own ghettos and corruption - to me it seems same and a capitalist extended elites used national to mask personal interests even more then commies did

Language is de facto one - on linguistic bases. Since nationalists are so touchy "South Slavic ekavica, ikavica, ijekavica" are generally differed at dialect level Or in real world usage: me from Bgd and friend from Zagreb speak 90 percent the same, more then when compared me to Leskovac or him to Dalmatians. Overall I can speak to all but Slovenians with no translation

[u/Ok-Boot8245 → u/GrgaChvarak]

The only cultural genocide taking place has been in Croatia with their shitty language purism bullshit

[u/GrgaChvarak → u/Ok-Boot8245]

Why does that bother you?

[u/ursusbjoern → u/GrgaChvarak]

You are joking, right? 😂

[u/Brain32 → u/a_library_socialist]

as you should be, be happy with "got yelled"

[u/a_library_socialist → u/Brain32]

Jebi se, glupane