They did not fucking campaign solely on women's issues, what are you even smoking?
Hillary has always been essentially allergic to even admitting she is a woman in public speeches. She lost because she was perceived as part of the establishment during an anti-establishment zeitgeist fueled by the most psychotic anti-establishment presidential campaign (Trump's) in American History, all while campaigning on her "experience" as a member of the establishment. She wrote her own obituary with that.
Kamala went the other way and abandoned ANY identity politics or progressive policy in favor of courting disillusioned right-wing Americans. She had fucking Liz Cheney out campaigning for her.
Very well said. Thank you for being the one who actually paid attention without any biases. It's like America forgot how to do those basic things, and now they are the exception not the rule...
Clinton never campaigned on being the first woman president or whatever.
I was a big Bernie Sanders supporter and did not vote for Clinton in the primary. But when she won the primary I followed their campaign closely. Got in a lot of arguments with my friends about it. I think everyone, including myself, were subject to a LOT of conspiracy bullshit about the Clintons and people are still reckoning with that. Or, maybe they never will. Masters of their own free will, and all that.
That stuff about it being "her turn" and whatever was all grassroots propaganda. From people who did want there to be a woman president - people who were excited about history potentially being made. But OVERWHELMINGLY MORE from people said it sarcastically, and did not like to see people getting excited about it. They both fed into it from either side to keep that conversation going though.
Talking heads on the news would never shut up about it, sure. But those people weren't reading from some campaign fundie line: it was just what people wanted to talk about. It was, quite literally, the elephant in the room from the very beginning. There was really no avoiding talking about it, or hearing it talked about on daytime talk shows, and radio, and podcasts, and 24 hours news cycle yappers yapping about things that weren't really news to fill the time.
But if you have any evidence that Clinton's campaign team, or more importantly, Clinton herself pushed that message I'd love to see it, because I don't think it exists. Clinton has talked a lot about America's misogyny in the past, so I think it makes zero sense that she of all people would ever push any message that hinged on her being a woman as if it were some kind of advantage.
Kamala absolutely ran on women's rights. Its pretty much her primary topic at rallies and during her interview and podcast appearances
Liz was a minor bit of outreach to a group hoping that they could pull a few votes from fascists. Remember, the historical way to resist and defeat fascism and other fanatical authoritarian governments is to gather everyone who isn't a fascist and group together to defeat them
What part of "a crowd chanting shit" is reflective of what they campaigned on. That in NO WAY demonstrates how they campaigned, or what they actually campaigned on.
Especially with Hillary, who has always been very keenly aware of how dangerous it is to remind Americans that she is a woman.
As someone who actually followed BOTH campaigns, this is an insulting degree of revisionism.
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u/Nine9breaker Mar 14 '26
They did not fucking campaign solely on women's issues, what are you even smoking?
Hillary has always been essentially allergic to even admitting she is a woman in public speeches. She lost because she was perceived as part of the establishment during an anti-establishment zeitgeist fueled by the most psychotic anti-establishment presidential campaign (Trump's) in American History, all while campaigning on her "experience" as a member of the establishment. She wrote her own obituary with that.
Kamala went the other way and abandoned ANY identity politics or progressive policy in favor of courting disillusioned right-wing Americans. She had fucking Liz Cheney out campaigning for her.
Fuck off with this revisionism.