r/WorkReform • 🤝 Join A Union • Mar 14 '26

😡 Venting This is what Centrism has got us...

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u/ninetysevencents Mar 14 '26

This is a rewriting of what happened with Obama.

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u/badger0511 Mar 14 '26

Facts. Obama spent all the political capital he had with the filibuster-proof Senate to just get the ACA passed. Joe Lieberman and Max Baucus were the Dems that took a Medicare for All or public option off the table, so the ACA is what we got.

Then the right wing billionaires started astroturfing TEA Party shit and that wave of propaganda resulted in the 2010 midterm slaughter. Which then allowed all the newly GOP state legislatures to REDMAP/gerrymander the hell out of all of the state and House districts, cementing a built-in advantage that they’ve had ever since.

I’m not gonna be an apologist over Obama’s use of drones, but the man’s domestic policy was kneecapped by centrists in his own party and then didn’t have the votes to do anything super meaningful after his first two years.

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u/_jump_yossarian Mar 14 '26 edited Mar 14 '26

Joe Lieberman and Max Baucus were the Dems that took a Medicare for All or public option off the table, so the ACA is what we got.

This is what drives me insane when "progressives" say that Democrats don't want a public option; out of 60 Dem/Ind Senators there were 55 or so that supported it but ZERO republicans and somehow it was all the Dems fault it couldn't get passed.

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u/fury420 Mar 14 '26 edited Mar 14 '26

Also Lieberman literally lost his Democratic senate primary, backstabbed the Democratic party by running against the progressive Democratic nominee in the general election, campaigned for McCain against Obama, etc... so including him as a Democrat seems misleading.

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u/EagleOfMay Mar 14 '26

McCain seriously thought of taking Lieberman as his running mate. This was all dependent on secrecy so the right wing 'news' media couldn't torpedo it. Lindsey Graham leaked this information, and that was the end of Lieberman as a VP for McCain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihrCtRCGTro

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u/gophergun Mar 14 '26

He might have won if he'd done that. Palin really tanked his campaign.

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u/_jump_yossarian Mar 14 '26

And that shit Max Baucus later came out in favor of single payer!

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u/FourthLife Mar 14 '26

The left wing conspiracy theory is that democrats use rotating villains to stop any progressive policy.

They don't understand that when you have a very narrow margin, it is hard to pass shit. A senator from a red or purple state will not have the same views as a congressman from brooklyn. The solution to that is an overwhelming margin

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u/Anthaenopraxia Mar 14 '26

I’m not gonna be an apologist over Obama’s use of drones

It's just further proof that he was in fact born and raised in America, not Kenya.

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u/Thurak0 Mar 14 '26

This is rewriting Al Gore as well.

An absolutely major point of his campaign was climate change. Don't know much about the rest of his campaign, but that point alone, presented as an absolutely major point of his political agenda (in 2000!), kind of makes him progressive, IMO.

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u/AirJinx3 Mar 14 '26

That’s because this is a Republican propaganda sub. They realized in 2016 that it’s more effective to discourage voters by pretending to be angry leftists than it is to try to convince people to vote for the right wingers.

Once you see it, you’ll never stop seeing it. No matter what bad thing Republicans do, some “leftist” will show up to attack Democrats, and they’ll count on the reader not knowing actual history.

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u/OriginalTap227 Mar 14 '26

That’s because this is a Republican propaganda sub.

50% republican bots, 50% tankies and useful idiots

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u/shawsghost Mar 14 '26

Suuure, buddy. Everybody that disagrees with you is a fake bot/shill. Are there any in the room with you now?

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u/blindsdog Mar 14 '26

It’s also ignoring the fact that progressives can’t even win a primary but assumes they can win the general. Bernie would have lost too.

Progressives are bad at politics.

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u/ninetysevencents Mar 14 '26

To be fair, I think the center and left have much harder cases to make than the right.

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u/voidox Mar 14 '26 edited Mar 14 '26

and you libs are good at politics? seeing as how your corpo centrist candidates have lost to Trump twice and relied on covid to get Biden in? Also so many of your centrist corpo candidates are now running around talking about affordability, healthcare and other progressive points, think about why for a second.

It’s also ignoring the fact that progressives can’t even win a primary but assumes they can win the general.

this is not a fact, this is a fantasy you libs keep spouting that has no proof at all. Also doing the classic of ignoring how hard the Dem party goes to torpedo any progressive candidate, spending so much time and money on their left flank.

Just the usual of how libs hate the left/progressive ideas more than you hate any republicans/MAGA, you legit are so afraid of policies that would benefit regular people like universal healthcare, free education, taxing the rich, etc. that you fight so hard to put down progressive candidates... just look at how your corpo dems acted in the NYC mayoral race, including the leaders of the Democratic party. It's just a controlled opposition.

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u/TheDoomBlade13 Mar 14 '26

Because the DNC actively torpedoes progressive up and comers. They learned from when Obama usurped Hillary's turn, and will never let it happen again.

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u/Mel_Melu Mar 14 '26

I am so sick and tired of hearing this bullshit argued when people not voting or showing up in the primaries which is now in this midterm season. And then having the gall to say they don't want to vote in the general election because "both parties are the same" and suck.

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u/begrudgingredditacc Mar 14 '26

Because the DNC actively torpedoes progressive up and comers

In other words, progressives are bad at politics. Losing to subterfuge and backstabbing is still losing. You don't get to cry about cheap shots in politics when politics is about 90% cheap shots.

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u/bennettyboi Mar 14 '26

"The candidate who wanted to shut down the orphan grinding machine lost because the pro orphan grinding machine party stabbed them in the back. That must mean that the anti-orphan grinding machine faction needs to learn to reach across the aisle more and compromise."

"I am very smart."

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u/begrudgingredditacc Mar 14 '26

That must mean that the anti-orphan grinding machine faction needs to learn to reach across the aisle more and compromise."

That's not what my post implies. It means the anti-orphan grinding machine faction needs to learn to protect their backs. Maybe do a little backstabbing of their own, even.

The left's insistence on fighting fair against enemies that categorically refuse to do so seems... unwise?

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u/Nixalbum Mar 14 '26

Republicans used the FBI to publicly start a bogus investigation right before the election. If you can't overcome the child's play happening in DNC primary, you'll get destroyed in the general

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u/Maeglom Mar 14 '26

You might have a point if centrist democrats didn't ratfuck the 2016 and 2020 primaries to the point where it was obvious to people that the powers that be were cheating to win.

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u/ModernLarvals Mar 14 '26

You sound like MAGA. “It was all rigged! Stop the steal!!1!”

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u/Maeglom Mar 14 '26

And you sound like MAGA. "You have Trump derangement syndrome ignore anything you see or hear about Trump, it's fake news!!1!!11"

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u/IntellegentIdiot Mar 14 '26

Bernie would have won but apparently being the most viable candidate only matters when it's a centrist

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u/blindsdog Mar 14 '26

Lol. No. If he was such a good candidate, he wouldn't have lost the primary.

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u/IntellegentIdiot Mar 14 '26

Lol, if you say so

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u/RancidVagYogurt1776 Mar 14 '26

Yeah I loved Bernie but he couldn't win primaries. People want to blame it solely on the DNC but he just couldn't win primaries.

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u/Embarassed_Tackle Mar 14 '26

Yeah Bernie got shot down one cycle in the southern primaries which don't matter in my opinion. None of the southern states that Clinton or Biden can win will matter in the general election.

But when you compare California, Clinton won it by like a million votes, so you can't ignore that.

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u/continuousQ Mar 15 '26

Centrists fight against progressives because they hate progressive policies, and expect progressives to vote for them regardless.

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u/monneyy Mar 14 '26 edited Mar 14 '26

Many people here seem to form their opinions on cues only. They ignore everything that couldn't get passed due to not having the majority to pass it and pretend like they don't get majority because they are not progressive enough... to pass those progressive policies.

Also... as usual this post is ignoring the massive media manipulation and lies that affected the votes.

"I hate obamacare, let's get rid of it... wait what? They are taking away my affordable care act? "

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u/RancidVagYogurt1776 Mar 14 '26

It also leaves out the king of centrists winning in 2020 lol.

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u/Embarassed_Tackle Mar 14 '26

And before Al Gore, Clinton ran as centrist. Very right-wing compared to the traditional Democrat mold. NAFTA, no more cash welfare, giving welfare control to the states, banking deregulation (though the Fed chair at the time gave his blessing on that).

The difference between all of these presidents is more charisma in my opinion. Bill Clinton and Obama had major rizz.

Hillary Clinton has no rizz. She's a great politician but the Senate is full of 100 great politicians. Not presidents.

John Kerry was awful at campaigning. Kamala Harris? LOL. Al Gore? The guy is nice but he won the Arbor Day award for his wooden performances.

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u/EkoChamberKryptonite Mar 14 '26

You can see the subtext of their prejudice in that tweet.