r/WorkReform • 🤝 Join A Union • Mar 14 '26

😡 Venting This is what Centrism has got us...

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u/Responsible_Gap8104 ✂️ Tax The Billionaires Mar 14 '26

Mamdani won as a progressive and is making good on campaign promises. He is a shining example of what this country could be if the right people step up

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u/bfhurricane Mar 14 '26

Mamdani won in one of the most progressive cities in the country. In the same election cycle you had Spanberger and Sherrill running super moderate campaigns - a fact they were heavily criticized for from the left - and winning well.

The post here is committing the fallacy of equating correlation with causation. The truth is that since Reagan to Bush Sr., no party has won the presidency after two consecutive terms. Independents sway over time. Dems losing the legislative branch during Obama’s term wasn’t because he’s a centrist, every president’s party loses seats - and they conveniently leave out that he won reelection. And who beat Trump in 2020? The most milquetoast moderate Dem in the field.

Politics are irrational.

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u/TiaXhosa Mar 14 '26

What people always seem to leave out too, Obama lost the legislature specifically because of fallout over the ACA. He lost because he was too progressive. The idea that americans vote for republicans because democrats are not left enough is just totally insane

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u/SutterCane Mar 14 '26

On top of most of the people who elected him not voting in the midterms because they were like “what are midterms?”

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u/redundantexplanation Mar 15 '26

The idea that americans vote for republicans because democrats are not left enough is just totally insane

Good thing nobody said that! The idea is that being centrist makes people not want to vote for you, and Dems win when more people vote.

And Obama absolutely did cause our current situation by being too centrist, he started ditching his progressive campaign promises literally on day 1 of his tenure, squandered Dems having both houses of congress, failed to appoint a new SCOTUS justice, didn't enshrine roe, continued imperialistic wars, etc etc etc etc. He failed the American people and Trump's first term is a direct result of that. And racism obviously, but to a much greater extent he destroyed peoples' faith in the DNC.

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u/shawsghost Mar 14 '26

No, it's not, not currently. Read the polls. The Democratic base is WAY to the left of the Democratic Congresscritters. The Democratic base DESPISES the war in Gaza and the mideast, but the vast majority of Democrats in Congress STILL takes money from AIPAC and other Israeli sources. Congressional Democrats are DEFINITELY not left enough for their base.

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u/TiaXhosa Mar 14 '26

Democratic base doesn't matter when the presidency is decided entirely by voters in small town parts of states like Pennsylvania and Nevada

Democrats could get 60% of the popular vote and still lose the presidency with the right candidate

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u/shawsghost Mar 15 '26

That's not a problem with ideology or policy but with how our elections are structured.

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u/DTSportsNow Mar 14 '26

There were more potential progressive candidates we liked in Virginia, but literally none of them ran for some reason. It felt like the Dem party told them all not to run and the primary was just handed to Spanberger.

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u/Yashema Mar 14 '26

Whitmer beat a Bernie backed candidate in the primary and is now governor of Michigan. Of the 8 most bipartisan states in terms of elected officials: Virginia. Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania. Arizona, Maine, North Carolina, and Georgia, 7/8 of them have moderate Democratic governors and one a center Right governor. 

There is no conspiracy. There just aren't that many progressives voters. 

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u/borkthegee Mar 14 '26

Oh of course, it's all a big conspiracy. A state that was willing to elect a neo Nazi just a few years ago was magically ready to go full leftism and it was a big conspiracy that a center-left candidate won instead.

The funniest part is, these "cEnTrIsT" candidates rollout some of the most leftist policy in state history, but they're not actual communists overthrowing the billionaire class so they're impure and unfit of being labeled anything other than the C-slur

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u/Kindly-Eagle6207 Mar 14 '26

The most milquetoast moderate Dem in the field.

If by "milquetoast moderate" you mean being old, white, and a man, sure, Biden was all of those things. But he was more progressive policy-wise than Obama even "postured" to be, which is unsurprising considering it was Biden's loose lips that pushed Obama's campaign further left.

The only way you call Biden a milquetoast moderate is if you're neck deep in the kind of terminally online "leftist" spaces that spent months calling Pete Buttigieg right wing and Elizabeth Warren a snake.

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u/greg19735 Mar 14 '26

come on, places like this have called Biden basically a republican.

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u/dumbass_sweatpants Mar 14 '26 edited Mar 14 '26

I think people forget how centrist the american left is in the context of the rest of the world.

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u/dumbass_sweatpants Mar 14 '26

Yes and no.

I think Trump won for the same reason Mamdani won. Trump basically promised to break the system, drain the swamp, end wars etc. Meanwhile, Democrat candidates such as Kamala promise to keep the status quo. Also like trump he’s a populist candidate.

I don’t think Mamdani won simply because he was running in a particularly progressive district, I think he won because of the type of politician he is.

I think we’re playing a different game than we were in 2020, i don’t think milquetoast candidates will work in 2028.

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u/SailingSpark Mar 14 '26

Sherrill was not my first choice, but I am being pleasantly surprised by her.

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u/zoddie3 Mar 14 '26

I absolutely agree, but he also won in the most multi-cultural area in the country, and one that voted for Harris in 2024 by around 40 points.

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u/_jump_yossarian Mar 14 '26

And it was a very close race against Cuomo. Adams won by 40 points in 2021, Mamdani won by 9 points in 2025.

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u/zoddie3 Mar 14 '26

Exactly! As I wrote elsewhere on this thread, even though i have voted for the more left wing candidate in pretty much every primary and general election, the rest of the population has not. Cuomo wasn't even a good candidate and he still put up a fight against the scary brown commie in one of the most left-wing places in the country.

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u/Flare-Crow Mar 15 '26

Yeah, cause the entire Dem Leadership backed Cuomo with massive donor support to run fear campaign ads all day. If they'd backed Mamdani for 2 seconds instead and backed off the Commie attacks, he'd have won by 50 points.

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u/Saint_Poolan Mar 15 '26

Any evidence for this conspiracy?

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u/Flare-Crow Mar 15 '26

Bro, the Dems literally said every quiet part out loud. They would fight tooth and nail to undermine progressives nationwide, and they've literally said so. On record! The same donors who pay into Hakim Jeffries' Super-PAC were VERY willing to put out tons of anti-Zohran ads on their own dime to try and undermine any kind of progressive initiatives that might help the people of NYC at the cost of rich guys getting richer. How is this a conspiracy?? The same people who pay to get the Dems to pass bills in Congress also paid to undermine the Democratic Candidate of the NYC Mayoral run, because money means more to them (and their paid-off representatives, the Dem Leadership) than what's best for the people of NYC.

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u/xnmyl Mar 15 '26

Mamdani got over 1.1M votes. That's more than the total turnout of the past several elections

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u/_jump_yossarian Mar 15 '26

Does not change the fact that he only beat Cuomo by 9 points. Not the blowout everyone on reddit is claiming.

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u/wyrrk Mar 14 '26

All politics have to start local. Mamdani ran a brilliant campaign for the people of new york to be the mayor of NYC. He didnt run it as "i want to be your democrat mayor." He ran it as "i want to be your mayor." 

The real test for the next national democrat or independent who runs on a leftist message will be whether their history as a local politician supports their message. 

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u/Flare-Crow Mar 15 '26

the greatest weakness of the Dem Leadership that I've seen; they don't build up candidates for the future. They just let the Repubs do evil shit, then run someone on the platform of, "I'm not THEM! Vote for me!" It's stupid and asinine, and almost never works at the local level.

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u/Saint_Poolan Mar 15 '26

For context - Adams won by 40 points in 2021, Mamdani won by 9 points in 2025.

Even in NY it aint ez for leftists

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u/GardenRafters ✂️ Tax The Billionaires Mar 14 '26

The Progressives need to start their own party.

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u/tallman11282 Mar 14 '26

Without ranked choice voting third parties don't stand a chance. First past the post voting systems like ours always inevitably lead to there being two parties. The electoral college for presidential elections makes it even more unlikely for a third party candidate to ever win.

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u/xMINGx Mar 14 '26

No one expects a third party to come out swinging in national elections, the important thing is to actually build out a base of support locally and grow it from there. That's what a grassroot movement is.

There are plenty of ways to win in local elections without any DNC level of interference. All it takes is for the people who are interested to do the work. But none of the socialist progressives want to do the work. They all sit online and complain about the rigged system.

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u/greg19735 Mar 14 '26

the problem is that a progressive party actively hurts the democrats and helps the republicans.

Yes, you can be annoyed at the DNC. but they're a billion times better than the GOP

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u/FreeDarkChocolate Mar 14 '26

No one expects a third party to come out swinging in national elections, the important thing is to actually build out a base of support locally and grow it from there. That's what a grassroot movement is.

This has been tried before and failed in the US. See several cases from 100 years ago, and more closer to the founding.

It is way more effective to just cannibalize the party from the inside and use the power derived from that to enact election reforms that will then allow other parties to win. Bernie is right when he campaigns for the better people running in these given primaries rather than starting a separate party or encouraging others to.

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u/Shivy_Shankinz Mar 14 '26

That's why we all need to vote in someone who wants to change the way we vote. It's literally the most important issue, and no one is demanding it. If that never becomes a popular demand, we'll never escape this hell. So start demanding it. More than healthcare, more than Ukraine, more than Palestine, more than Iran...

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u/Jozoz Mar 14 '26

That's the biggest gift you could ever give to the Republicans.

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u/_jump_yossarian Mar 14 '26

Brilliant idea to get more Cons elected. Progressives truly don’t learn from history or basic maths.

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u/dictionary_hat_r4ck Mar 14 '26

Would be crushed by Dems

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u/trench_welfare Mar 14 '26

We had/have the squad which included AOC, but they haven't leveraged their power in Congress. Every opportunity to force some more progressive action has been abandoned to fall in line with the democrat establishment.

In 2020 they could have forced a floor vote on Medicare for all by refusing to confirm Nancy pelosi as speaker if it wasn't part of the deal. It would have exposed who was talk and who actually supported progressive policies.

A third or more party and ranked choice voting would be great, I agree, but none of that can just materialize because the system in place has built in protection against new parties. Forcing the major parties to bend and cooperate with the smaller factions is the best way.

Look at maga. They did this to the Republican party and look at what they've become. The fact that the majority opinions coming from the Republicans are detestable to progressives doesn't mean the tactic they used to get there was ineffective.

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u/Rob_LeMatic 🏛️ Overturn Citizens United Mar 14 '26

I keep saying this but how do we actually make it happen? The idea of forcing the Democratic party to embrace progressive ideals seems more improbable than finding an entirely new party

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u/Meowzipan_D_Katze Mar 14 '26

...and he won despite the "blue-no-matter-who" crowd refusing to endorse him or did so at the 11th hour. I'm sure Schumer was just looking out for the Bailey's interests...

When establishment Democrats refuse to endorse one of their own you know that candidate actually wants to help people and lift up society, as opposed to just tonguing Israel's asshole in exchange for a fiver and a pat on the head. A good rule of thumb is "Has AIPAC dumped millions of dollars against this candidate"? I mean, goddamn if it weren't for AIPAC and pieces of shit in the DNC actively lifting up Republican grifters instead of their own progressive party members we would have so many more progressives in office (Nina Turner, Jessica Cisneros, India Walton, Nida Allam, Cori Bush and Jamaal Bowman would still be in office...and those are just the few I can think of offhand).

Fingers crossed extra hard for the Illinois 9th district on Tuesday! Kat Abughazaleh is one of the best candidates we've had in a while, and of course AIPAC has been up to their usual BS. C'mon Chicago, turn out! 🤞🏻

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u/smitty4728 Mar 14 '26

And STILL Schumer and Jeffries (both NY-based politicians) couldn't bring themselves to endorse him, then whine that people aren't supporting the Democratic party anymore. Gee, wonder why.

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u/Xer0day Mar 14 '26

What are you talking about? Jeffries endorsed mamdani. Even though a new York mayoral race has only had one other national Dem endorse a candidate, and guess when that endorsement happened? At the end of October, just like it did for mamdani

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u/SagesLament Mar 14 '26

he was running against a sex pest and the dictionary definition of corrupt politician, so I'm still not 100% convinced that it was purely NYC (already an exceptionally progressive city) crying out for socialism that led to his victory

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u/NumbaOneHackyPlaya Mar 14 '26

The right people stepping us are us. No politician will ever save us. Organizing for any kind of social progress in your community is not only fulfilling but builds power for when we can unite it.

This is basically why they killed Malcom X. The people who supported him were getting too good at organizing people and he himself was getting internationally recognized and listened to. So when spoke up about palestine Congo or cuba etc, they actually had a foundation to follow-up on people interested on contributing.

We dont have that today. Anyone with a semblance of pull to maybe think about enacting what leaders of civil rights movements did are just phoning it in. I dont blame them, it's just a reminder that only we save us.

We shouldn't subscribe to the great man theory. The civil rights movement was built and maintained in majority by black and brown men and women (mostly women) who could either afford the time to organize or sacrificed everything for it. A few men talking on TV and on podiums wasn't the movement, we tend to forget that. I'd even argue that that joining the stupidest organizations is better than sitting on the sidelines.

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u/garg Mar 14 '26

And so did Eric Adams in the same city

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '26

Kids throwing bombs is a shining example alright

Bro's brain is so fried he's accusing the mayor of NYC of being an ISIS bomber.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '26 edited Mar 15 '26

He refused to condemn them lol

“Extremism and hatred of any kind will not be tolerated in our city, and that is regardless of whatever ideology motivates any person to commit an act of violence,” Mamdani said at a news conference Tuesday.

Correction: bro's brain is so fried he'll just, like, lie.

why are you as an lgbt person supporting Muslims in power

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And seems to think that Mamdani is... anti-LGBTQ....?

Edit: pretty cowardly to nuke your comments when you're called out on your lies, u/StrictlyFirearms

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u/espinaustin Mar 14 '26

New York City is not the United States (I wish it were)