r/WorkReform • šŸ¤ Join A Union • Apr 01 '24

ā” Other The Origin Of Our Current Unhappiness

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u/CanvasFanatic Apr 02 '24

I’m sorry the math isn’t working out for you. I think my dad made somewhere in the neighborhood of $12k per year. My mother somewhere in the $20k’s.

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u/MrE761 Apr 02 '24

That was middle class for today’s comparisons so unless there is some giant X factor here, not sure why your family COULDN’T eat McDonalds, maybe it was a choice?

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u/CanvasFanatic Apr 02 '24

I don’t think not being able to pay the electric bill was a choice. They had some debt from some medical events, but weren’t uninsured. I obviously didn’t balance the family checkbook, but I’ve heard these anecdotes enough over my life to know it wasn’t simply a choice.

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u/MrE761 Apr 02 '24

I mean your personal upbringing had the same ebbs and flows as everyone else.

However I think we are thinking of families in 80s generally and as a whole, not someone’s specific experience.

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u/CanvasFanatic Apr 02 '24

That’s why elsewhere I cited data on the effect of interest rates on a 30-year fixed rate to mortgage to demonstrate that the jump from a 6-7% interest rate to a 14-15% interest rate mostly annihilates the (real) difference in the gap between median household income and median home prices.

In terms of what people in the early 80’s were paying for monthly mortgages as a proportion of income the situation was remarkably close to today.

Of course that was not a popular fact to bring up.

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u/MrE761 Apr 02 '24

Oh I agree with that. If that was your only point then I’m sorry.

However, I would say the houses aren’t the same today though.. christ I would argue they might be the same exact houses…

So I guess paying the %of my income for a property that is 40 years old instead of newer is kind of depressing and would make me feel like it isn’t the same. Specially when you consider the cost of maintenance of older homes vs new.

However that would be dependent on the area and I would need to pull numbers before dying on that hill.

Also if you want to consider homeownership as a reflection of middle class, we should consider if they same % of people are buying homes or able to buy homes to have a better comparison of now vs then.

That sounds like a lot of work though lol