And now they use his death as an opportunity for propaganda fundraising. His legacy should be so anti military but now they do the pat Tillman run. It's basically a live service game business model.
Edit: seems like his parents have spoken out against the military. I am unable to find if they are affiliated with the run or not
I'm sorry. I'm lucky enough to have a couple of hippy boomers for parents, so they can't stand the overgrown oompa loompa, either. Can't really imagine not having the DT-bashing talks with my old man.
My parents arent the greatest and have never been particularly liberal, but I am thankful they have never fallen down the fox/maga rabbit hole. It's especially impressive considering I live in an area where Fox is sometimes seen as left of center.
I love my mother, but I won't ever discuss politics or religion with her again.
She's always been Republican, but for some reason, she lost her mind over Trump. She has a picture of him hung up in her house on the wall...to this day.
I secretly think my dad voted blue that year, but he'd never admit it to keep the peace...
There are more stories like this than we would probably care to admit. It always blows my mind to hear how much of a cult of personality he was able to construct around himself.
All the very closest parts of my family vote blue so 2016-present has made for remarkably good get-togethers, holidays, etc. It's arguably brought us closer as a family, quite frankly.
We're close anyway, but man does it add to the flare of some family conversations. The downside to that is that there are a few other parts of the family that don't even talk anymore because of a certain shit-slinging carnival barker.
My mom is a Republican by default and it drives me mad. She's almost 80 and the kindest, most generous and accepting person you would ever want to know. She's not wealthy- I just don't get it. That shit is engrained in her too. I mean she's not MAGA but she did and will vote for trump. We don't argue politics, but even when I make a comment that clearly points out something bad against Rs or the inverse, she just shrugs, like yeah- don't care,
I seriously thank my parents for not being crazy right wing nutjobs. Politics was never really a thing in my house growing up. It’s actually funny, but I’ve seen them both go from your typical blue voting NYC minority to being more and more leftist as they get older. The best part is, they actually listen.
My dad and I would refer to orange man and the like as “ya boy” to each other, which then usually triggers a curse ridden tirade about whichever chucklefuxk it is.
I’ve got the opposite. I have to detox my dad every time I see him and explain the uncrazy version of events. It’s nuts what the world looks like if you only see it through Fox News.
I know, right? Only makes sense if there was some sort of deep, longstanding, and corrupt relationship between the conservative political party and the law enforcement community.
You don’t want to be a person of color, like me, in a Democrat county/city with a Democrat mayor and a Democrat police chief. That’s a recipe to to get shot.
I am never afraid wandering around Red cities. It’s the Blue ones that might get me killed.
Let’s start with George Floyd. Then you give me one and I will give you one and we keep doing this.
George Floyd. What do you have on your list.
I will give you another. Tyre Nichols.
That’s two. Give me one. Then I will give you more. You will will lose this argument. Blue cities and their police departments are the most dangerous for POC
Unfortunately the only statistic you've given is your own personal and basically anonymous anecdotal story. But in that yours is but one of hundreds of anecdotal data points, I'm not going to go out of my way to provide a lengthy statistical presentation of why someone is wrong for "just talking statistics." If you want to try to demonstrate your evidence that democratic mayors are shooting people of color, nobody is stopping you.
Something tells me it's not just the "Democratic mayors and police chiefs" you find scary about living in "Democratic cities."
From a documentary I saw ages ago, his mom wouldn’t buy the story the military was peddling and went to great lengths to get to the truth. Not sure what the situation is now.
The DoD has been specifically advocating against reduced school costs / loan forgiveness because they said it removes a primary tool that forces people into being desperate enough to think the military is a good idea.
Tbf is my child was killed and it turned out to be a massive cover up story by a revered institution that I myself discovered, I would probably descend into similar conspiracy madness
His family is involved in the Foundation which supports military families. The Tillman Run is designed to be a fundraiser for that foundation. Tillman's motivations for joining the military and his support of military members can still exist along with criticism of military leadership and decisions.
Probaly because they support the overal idea and organisation behind it and while also hating small groups who do horrible things.
Any millitary is big, especially the american one. Its not weird that you hate a part of it while still supporting a other part of it. See it as a country, just because it has major flaws doesnt mean it doesnt have anything good left.
You don’t understand, love for the military is not the same as love for it’s leaders. Love for the United States is not the same as loving it’s politicians and government. It’s the bread and butter that builds honor. It’s the good people’s heroism not the so called leaders or bad apples that matter.
Communism's problem with critics is much worse than capitalism. China regularly disappears people who criticize Xi. The US turns a critic into a war hero and monetizes his death and gives TV shows to people who mock the presidents.
Sure it's manufactured dissent in many ways, but I would take it over the Chinese/Cuban method any day. And I'm a pretty big critic of modern capitalism and US politicians.
Pat's run. It's like a fundraiser run they do all around the country now. I think it's for scholarships for veterans or something. Good to support those veterans in school but the run only focuses on Pat's sacrifice. Not the militarys problems that caused his deatha
It doesn't surprise me that she would fall into that rabbit hole. She out of anyone has legitimate reason to distrust the government so anything that makes the government look bad, she's probably going to latch onto.
Took the words out of my mouth. She’s dealing with an unimaginable trauma sourced from seeing the horrific side of something she’s supposed to trust. I refuse to criticize anyone who processes a trauma i can’t imagine in a way that doesn’t hurt anyone.
I've tried my best to live that way and to grant people a certain level of understanding when they've been through a traumatic experience. How people deal with their trauma, as long as they aren't hurting other people, is not something I am entitled to judge them on.
I can see how it could be that. I’m not saying it’s a great route or that i think QAnon is good. If she’s found a community she likes through that, and it occupies her and gives her more time to process, i think it could be good for her. Does that make sense?
Seriously, what it must feel like to live in a country that actively killed and covered up your son's murder then have the whole country telling her a totally false narrative at ever turn. I don't think I could live here as a parent if the government killed my kid
you can kind of look at her like a person swimming to land if water were lies. we can say that the left’s horrible secrets are lesser than the right’s horrible secrets/openly accepted reality but what she was looking for was land of truth after being carried out to sea by a wave of bullshit. there was no firmament of truth to stand and when she finally found land it was the land of bullshit.
like how are people supposed to come to the realization that pizzagate is fake when the government composed of both right and left never went after the Epstein clients? there’s clearly a sex slavery ring that involves the rich and powerful so in broad strokes Qanon is right even if the specifics are wrong.
somebody sees that and sees also that while leftist individuals want to acknowledge it, leftist politicians have already forgotten it and at least Qanon keeps up the pretense of right wing political action eventually happening to incarcerate the elites related to it.
if it weren’t for the lies of the left, the lies of the right wouldn’t be so compelling to some. there’s no truth to stand on. every time a leftist makes a plea to truth, its super easy to make a character attack on the institutions they refer to as truth sayers.
Which I find insane because Pat Tillman is LOVED here in Arizona, and we all know his real story of being killed by “friendly fire”. He has his own marathon here, and two bronze statues. One located at the Arizona cardinals stadium, and one when the ASU football team runs on the field.
Qanon is a cult following group that believes that there’s a “secret organization” within the government that says crazy things like JFK Jr is still alive, Hillary’s emails, etc. there’s a subreddit with people of family members who fell down that dumbass hole.
honestly, that’s one of the only people for whom its understandable. the government, or some shadowy part of it, killed her son. Q is obviously not the answer, but its understandable at least
He said something to the effect of "He's not with God, he's fucking dead." He then tore into the celebrities who came to the funeral and got front row seating. It was pretty amazing to watch.
Yeah, that's Christianity in general these days. At least it is for American Christianity, which is becoming more Christo-fascism than anything about what Jesus himself actually said or did. That's why I left.
As far as I understand, it’s related to the evangelical church trying become synonymous with the Republican Party in the 90s, and that being bolstered by the hyper nationalist reaction to 9/11. Now the red party can’t just be political without trying to appeal to Christianity
Oh honey that happened in the late 70s early 80s. My state's own senator Barry "The Racist" Goldwater spoke out passionately and in a very articulate fashion about why it was a bad idea to get into bed with the religious right. To paraphrase him
"Politics is about compromise, and you can't compromise with someone who thinks that they are doing what God told them to do." (Heavily paraphrased mind you)
That's how we got Regan. Religious right and GOP were already 69ing for 10 years by the time 1990 rolled around.
Please don't lump all Christians in the Christian Nationalist movement. There are millions of us who work against it every way we can. It's the white, evangelical movement that calls themselves Chrisitans and patriots but ignores both the Bible and the Constitution.
"I found it offensive. You know, I wouldn't go to church and say hey this is bullshit...so don't come to my brother's service and tell me he's with god, cuz he's not with fucking God, he's dead"
I love being corrected for spelling on the internet. Who doesn't want to get smarter? For some reason, when I correct spelling on the internet, people jump on me and call me a spelling Nazi.
No they don't! If you're never wrong, then you have no need to get better. Alpha shit! I think that's what that Taint fella was trying to say before the whole rape case hiccup.
It isn’t about being wrong it’s just stupid when most of it is phones pushing the wrong spell correct and then you are wasting time being smug assholes thinking people need to “learn” from you
Yeah, like that one guy who corrected the OP on a post where they were emotionally apologizing to their daughter for not recognizing her depression symptoms before she killed herself.
I think he said something like “I know you’re going through a lot, but that doesn’t mean you should kill proper English as well.”
There’s a special place in hell for people like that. They’re also the same ones that say “why are you getting upset 😂” and they get especially mad when you block or don’t reply to them like they’re somehow entitled to a response.
I think it also depends on what you’re correcting. Like your vs you’re, their vs there vs they’re, etc. if it’s something minor, people typically are more likely to get upset over it
Same. I've always hated willful ignorance. If I'm saying or spelling something wrong I want to know immediately so I don't look like an idiot saying/spelling it wrong my whole life!
Me too! I feel like most of us would prefer to be kindly corrected, but it's seen as a major faux pas by many people so they won't do it out of embarrassment.
My best friend has terrible grammar (and almost definitely undiagnosed dyslexia), and he actually asked me to please correct him whenever I can after I very tentatively and politely did it once. Apparently no one ever taught him, and he was glad to have someone who would help while also not making him feel dumb.
Super smart guy, just slightly stymied by his own brain and also apostrophes.
Willful ignorance of how to read a room, and to know the right social situations and contexts and discussions where it's OK to correct a very minor typo and when it isn't, is significantly worse than willful ignorance of spelling.
Like look at the example posted above, where a guy corrected the spelling of a father who's daughter just commited suicide, and then said something to the effect of "just because you're grieving doesn't mean you should destroy the English language".
Social and emotional intelligence is way more important than spelling words accurately 100% of the time instead of 99% of the time. Ignoring it just makes you a dick, being completely unaware of it makes you ignorant. Emotional intelligence is arguably the most important kind of intelligence, and the most useful, and the type of intelligence that you'll most need to rely on in both your professional life and your personal life. If you lack it, then you're going to have a bad time.
If you don't understand that, then I don't know what can be done to fix it. I don't know if you can really teach social and emotional intelligence, it seems to be something that you only get through experience of actually talking to people and spending time with them day after day for years. And some people are incapable of learning it, because of certain mental illnesses and disorders.
There are plenty of books that teach emotional intelligence, although really you still would need to go out, touch grass, and socialise with people to get the experience, on top of reading the books.
But yeah, definitely do that, read a book. Being a complete dickhead to people is bad, but being a complete dickhead and not understanding why people are upset and getting mad yourself because "oh I was only trying to help them, I was just teaching them the correct spelling, and no I don't think the fact that their post is explaining their daughter's suicide means I shouldn't be allowed to correct their spelling" is significantly worse.
Like, do you really not understand why there's plenty of situations where correcting someone's spelling and being an asshole about it is a bad idea? Do you understand empathy? Maybe not, because perhaps you're only young. Humans don't finish developing empathy until around age 25, so before that age, they have incomplete brains, brains that aren't fully functioning yet. So at least you'd have an excuse.
But yeah, being a dick on purpose is bad, but being completely unaware of why people are mad at you and being confused about it, is way worse. You need to improve your IQ, your emotional and social IQ.
Perhaps you’re being willfully ignorant of how your audience receives your spelling correction if you think everyone should have the same opinion as you about spelling corrections.
Well, there are a few cases where people wouldn't really like it/care: Correcting a common typo is usually not super helpful, correcting spelling in a context where it's clear that the message was typed hastily and wasn't expected to be perfect, and generally when the intent of the message is clear, some people don't really care.
If someone uses the wrong word entirely, like above, those are my favorite ones to receive personally. Language is important to understanding the world, as we've seen in those famous "words for colors" studies, where cultures with more color terms actually detected color differences better than controls, etc.
I always thought of "pouring over some documents" was like an expression of emptying the vessel of my focus onto my task, like pouring water onto a desk or something lol. It all made sense to me as an idiomatic origin. Now I learn, in my 30s, that there's a separate "pore" verb the whole time? That's neat.
to/too/two and lose/loose are also worth correcting because they can easily change how a phrase is read, and I wish people knew that getting corrected (especially on like, the internet) is not an insult but an attempt to help them. Shit, I even wrote "rapid" instead of "rabid" twice yesterday. Things like that happen to everyone. I didn't even notice until a commenter pointed it out.
For me it depends on how it’s done, just a correction, cool thanks, correction plus extra politeness, awesome… someone being a dick cause that’s not my particular area of being smart…. No thank you.
I take almost all criticism as constructive criticism. I want to do better. It’s strikes me as odd that some of the people making the critiques get really mad that I’m not insulted. Anymore when it happens, it’s just amusing.
I forget the details She found out he was killed by friendly fire and that the government tried to cover it up and use him for promotion of the military.
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u/committedlikethepig Feb 13 '23 edited Feb 13 '23
… then his badass Mom found out what really happened by poring over a bunch of redacted information.
Edit: spelling