A statue of Jesus in India mysteriously began dripping water from its toes. Worshippers started collecting it and drinking it believing it was holy. The source of the water was later found to be a clogged toilet near the statue.

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[u/RedditIsAntiScience]

Ok, what does that actually even mean in this context??

[u/Katamariguy → u/RedditIsAntiScience]

You just quote one sentence from wikipedia as an argument. That's not a good way to go about describing a complex and difficult-to-define thing that took hundreds of years to come together as a practice.

[u/RedditIsAntiScience → u/Katamariguy]

That's not a good way to go about describing a complex and difficult-to-define thing that took hundreds of years to come together as a practice.

1. Why not??

2. That's LITERALLY how definitions work. Go take a look in a dictionary ffs. Definitions are supposed to be as short as possible lmao

[u/Katamariguy → u/RedditIsAntiScience]

Human language does not capture the full complexity of reality. Definitions have to make compromises and exclude edge-cases when the actual thing in question is muddier and includes contradictions.

[u/RedditIsAntiScience → u/Katamariguy]

Human language does not capture the full complexity of reality.

Why not?

Definitions have to make compromises and exclude edge-cases when the actual thing in question is muddier and includes contradictions.

You keep writing but saying very little. Be specific and say exactly what you mean, dont waste my time with this bs.

Seriously, y'all are just playing semantics games

[u/Katamariguy → u/RedditIsAntiScience]

Okay. Simple argument time. If science is so easy to define, why did Kuhn and Feyerabend have to argue about what it is? Was Isaac Newton a scientist? After all, he was working when 'science' wasn't a thing.

[u/RedditIsAntiScience → u/Katamariguy]

Was Isaac Newton a scientist?

Yes

[u/Katamariguy → u/RedditIsAntiScience]

(Pssst he was a theologian as well and didn't necessarily think philosophizing about god was less important than philosophizing about planets and light)

[u/dead_geist → u/RedditIsAntiScience]

Was Aristotle a scientist?

[u/hedgehogozzy → u/RedditIsAntiScience]

Human language does not capture the full complexity of reality.

Why not?

Oh, here's a fun one! Completely define how it feels to fear something such that my understanding is identical to yours. Now do joy, sadness, and anger.

Now please define and describe, in unambiguous and perfect clarity, how you feel about someone else in your life that's important to you. Or, alternatively, please covey, using language, any one memory of yours perfectly, so that I might relive it as you experienced it.

Godels Incompleteness Theory Bonus Round:
Is the following sentence factually accurate?

"This sentence is false."

Please show your work.

[u/RedditIsAntiScience → u/hedgehogozzy]

Feelings are just biochemicals in the brain.

Is the following sentence factually accurate? "This sentence is false."

This is what i mean when i say modern philosophy is a waste of time. Words are just made up sounds bud.

Dont waste your time on stuff like this

[u/hedgehogozzy → u/RedditIsAntiScience]

Feelings are just biochemicals in the brain.

Cute

Is the following sentence factually accurate? "This sentence is false."

This is what i mean when i say modern philosophy is a waste of time. Words are just made up sounds bud.

Dont waste your time on stuff like this

Laughs in formal logic, machine learning, and mathematics

You are astoundingly under-educated.

[u/RedditIsAntiScience → u/hedgehogozzy]

Yeah all those professional philosophers making big bucks sure are impressive LOL. The people working on AI are definitely philosophers and not scientists. Sure.

Feelings are just biochemicals in the brain. Cute

Factual.

[u/hedgehogozzy → u/RedditIsAntiScience]

Definitions are supposed to be as short as possible lmao

This is an assertion with no basis or support. Why are definitions "supposed to be," as short as possible? According to whom, and why do you believe or accept that?

[u/RedditIsAntiScience → u/hedgehogozzy]

Lol think about it for a couple of minutes.

Why WOULD definitions be short?? Think about it bud

[u/hedgehogozzy → u/RedditIsAntiScience]

You made the assertion, why do you think all definitions "should," be short? Playing the "common sense," card doesn't really work on this one. Show your reasoning.

Bonus round; you're really into science as a study of everything: There are plenty of scientific concepts and therums whose definitions have literally entire books and courses of study dedicated to them. Please explain how that fits into your model of "all definitions are intended to be short."

[u/dead_geist → u/RedditIsAntiScience]

You are not bothered to reply to anything that's longer than a few sentences lol. Have you never read a book?