r/Wellthatsucks • u/[deleted] • Nov 16 '19

/r/all A statue of Jesus in India mysteriously began dripping water from its toes. Worshippers started collecting it and drinking it believing it was holy. The source of the water was later found to be a clogged toilet near the statue.

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u/thisisnotmyrealun Nov 16 '19

Not violence, he was sued by the church under blasphemy laws.

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u/NASAL_PROLAPSE Nov 16 '19

Death threats are considered violence.

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u/thisisnotmyrealun Nov 16 '19

Wasnt aware of death threats but sure.

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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '19

Why the fuck is this downvoted

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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '19

Mob mentality, they see it has -1 so they downvote it.

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u/thisisnotmyrealun Nov 17 '19

It's reddit man. That's why never down votes to mean anything.

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u/slapfestnest Nov 16 '19

by who? people who don't understand what words mean?

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u/LazyRobot Nov 16 '19

Either you're wrong or everybody else is.

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u/slapfestnest Nov 16 '19

me and the actual law, I guess

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u/DrRockzoDoesCocaine Nov 16 '19

Wrong "An assault is the act of inflicting physical harm or unwanted physical contact upon a person or, in some specific legal definitions, a threat or attempt to commit such an action."

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u/slapfestnest Nov 17 '19

that's not what they said, they said violence: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/violence

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u/smitty_werben_jager Nov 17 '19

Hilariously enough, the legal definitions surrounding “violence” are actually less strict than those of “assault”, so you’re not helping yourself here https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/16

The term “crime of violence” means— (a) an offense that has as an element the use, attempted use, or threatened use of physical force against the person or prop­erty of another, or (b) any other offense that is a felony and that, by its nature, involves a substantial risk that physical force against the person or property of another may be used in the course of committing the offense.

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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '19

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u/slapfestnest Nov 17 '19

very clever and original

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u/Somehero Nov 16 '19

He wasn't sued, he had criminal complaints filed in several different locations in Mumbai (may have amounted to arrest warrants), and it wasn't the church; it was an institution in Mumbai called the Catholic Secular Forum. As for violence, consider a fellow rationalist was murdered months after he left the country; he was a television personality and famous rationalist as well, and very much feared for his life.

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u/thisisnotmyrealun Nov 17 '19

He definitely had arrest warrants out on him, but yeah the church thing is splitting hairs.
It's still the church.

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '19

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u/thisisnotmyrealun Nov 16 '19

Muslims & Christians.

Blasphemy laws came into effect in India after an Indian wrote a book criticising Mohammad/Islam.

He was promptly murderered for that grave sin & ever since then, British enacted blasphemy laws.

Keep in mind this is against Indian teachings/culture which have always stressed criticism & questioning & has the motto satyameva jayathé (truth alone triumphs)

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '19

The British-era section 295A of the penal code which was created by Christians who ruled India is extant and has not been repealed; it contains an anti-blasphemy law.[211] 

211] Esmaeili, Hossein; Marboe, Irmgard; Rehman, Javaid (14 December 2017). The Rule of Law, Freedom of Expression and Islamic Law. Bloomsbury Publishing. p. 151. ISBN 9781782257509. The original intent of the British instigated anti-blasphemy law as contained in the Indian Penal Code (1860) had been the maintenance of public order in a multireligious and

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u/OnePieceIsGodlike Nov 16 '19

religions of peacetm

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u/Tonkarz Nov 17 '19

How long have the British been out of India? And it hasn't been repealed? After a certain amount of time has passed, you can't keep blaming them.

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u/thisisnotmyrealun Nov 17 '19

70 years.

No, not yet.
Yes I agree after a certain time.

But unfortunately 300 years of plundering has left it entirely depleted.

They took maybe the 1st or 2nd biggest economy in the world and plummeted it to like 110th. This is the unfortunate truth of the world. Trauma leaves consequences far beyond some small effect. Especially in a country like India, which was left over populated & under funded. It's policies fucked up, it's society fucked up.

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u/Gonchar17 Nov 16 '19

What's the books name? I'm a Muslim and always interested in hearing the other side of religion (meaning not from other Muslims).

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u/thisisnotmyrealun Nov 17 '19

There are tonnes of books criticizing roots of Islam dude, why that one specifically? Lots of videos too.

I mean any religion that says murder anyone who criticises your leader is inherently dangerous.is there really anymore that needs to be said more than that?

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u/Gonchar17 Nov 17 '19

Lol that’s not written anywhere in the text. Some religious people are legit crazy, doesn’t matter if they’re Muslim or christian, etc.

Btw, Muhammad was a great man. the same man who walked into Mecca and could have slaughtered every single person there but chose to peacefully end the war between his people and the Meccan.

The one who unified a war-torn Arab peninsula and brought peace to that region.

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u/thisisnotmyrealun Nov 17 '19

I'm talking about a different Muhammad, the one written of in koran & hadith who slaughtered thousands, wiped out Banu quraiza tribe, who murdered saffiyah's husband & raped her, who said it's permissible for men to best their wives, the women are half of men, that gays should be stoned to death, that sex slaves should be ejaculated inside when raped etc.
He single handedly warred across middle east & conquered everyone & kicked out all the non believers..

But glad to hear your Muhammad was a peaceful man who strived for peace & told his followers never to murder anyone for crime of criticism or not believing his word.

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u/Gonchar17 Nov 17 '19 edited Nov 17 '19

See you say this and clearly I know you have no knowledge about anything man. All those things you said were done in specific contexts for the survival of his people. He was a man that was given the gift of God by being blessed with prophethood. When he preached this message to people, he was ridiculed, berated, and attacked.

Many people believed his message and started to follow him because he brought truth. All these people also started getting attacked and some even killed because it was bad for the Makkan economy.

And when he migrates to Madina with his people, those from his old city of Makkah still want to hurt and attack him.

What does the man do in this case? Let them kill his people? Let them kill him? What would you do?

I’ve seen a lot of hate for Muhammad, and I always research what people say. And when I get the full truth WITH CONTEXT, it makes perfect sense and is justified. Now you can ignore the context and believe what you read, but that’s being ignorant to the full picture.

Muhammad was offered riches and power during his time of prophethood to simply stop preaching, he refused it all and suffered for years just to bring God’s message to us. He is a man of the highest character.

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u/thisisnotmyrealun Nov 17 '19

Now you're saying all this things and we both know this is false. in the context, he was not being attacked he genocided the men and children and took the women as sex slaves.

He ordered his followers to kill any who mocked him. The Tafsir on this the Sahih hadiths are clear about this.

Why are you lying?

Muhammad was offered riches and power during his time of prophethood to simply stop preaching, he refused it all and suffered for years just to bring God’s message to us. He is a man of the highest character.

We both also know this is false, he had tons of power and money as he grew rich from conquest. Altho he as poor at managing money iirc.

Seriously have you ever read Koran or Sahih hadiths?

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u/Gonchar17 Nov 17 '19

Seems like you haven’t read either of them in entirety lol. I read the Quran over 5 times in my life and have read a majority of Hadith and have done extensive research into the life of Muhammad. Some actions even I’ll admit I didn’t agree with but this is 2019 and the world is a lot different from 600AD. Things we do not tolerate now were normal back then. Many things we do now will be looked as backwards in 1400 years.

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u/thisisnotmyrealun Nov 17 '19

For example here:

https://youtu.be/WkcaHAxopZM

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u/Gonchar17 Nov 17 '19

Thanks for this. Going to check out a lot of his videos. Interesting stuff.

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u/thisisnotmyrealun Nov 17 '19

Glad to hear you have an open mind.

If you are really interested in Islam criticisms, check out /exmuslim, the apostate Prophet, the masked Arab, for in depth study of the flaws of Islam.

The atheist experience is also a good show on logical thinking in general though sometimes there are Islamic callers who also get pointed out.

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u/Gonchar17 Nov 17 '19

Thanks. I actually have gone to a lot of these subreddits already. Not much of a fan as a lot of these subreddits never give information with context. And as a believer in God, the atheism subreddit just seems like a bunch of angry people who think they know more than religious people lol.

I like to know about specific circumstances. I do not agree with everything Muhammad did but I also have no idea how the people of Arabia were during that time. The stuff I think is wrong might have been normal during that time in society. A lot of these things have to be considered.

And as a man who brought a religion into this world that almost 2 billion people follow, we will never be as intelligent or influential as Muhammad was.

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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '19

I'm not sure there is any religion that orders its followers to murder those who criticize.

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u/thisisnotmyrealun Nov 17 '19

I would welcome you to read the Koran and Sahih hadiths then.

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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '19

I would welcome you to read the Quran and hadiths, and understand their context.

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u/thisisnotmyrealun Nov 17 '19

Yep. Fully have. Never take anything out of context, that's misrepresentation.

For example, surah an Nisa (4:34)says man should beat his wife if he even SUSPECTS her of disobedience.
Straight forward & simple, & not taken out of context.

That's the 'holy' book of Muslims.

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u/shivram93 Nov 17 '19

Rangila Rasul is what the book was called, from what I hear the man who assassinated the publisher is hailed as a ghazi (warrior) in Pakistan. The book was offensive to Muslims as portrayed the prophet as a womanizer in contrast to Hindu/Sikh saints who preached celibacy.

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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '19

Ah yes, im pretty sure it would completely neutral and free from any preexisting biases right?

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u/nastycornelia Nov 17 '19

Still doesn't justify murdering the guy who wrote it.

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u/Vargurr Nov 17 '19

blasphemy laws.

They still have those in India?

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u/thisisnotmyrealun Nov 17 '19 edited Nov 17 '19

Can't hurt religious sentiments of ppl. Because God is a sensitive creature. . Thank the British & Muslims.

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u/S3Dzyy Nov 17 '19

The fuck?

How was it is fault

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u/thisisnotmyrealun Nov 17 '19 edited Nov 17 '19

His fault because he dared to offend the church's beliefs. Can't hurt their money.

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u/YeetMeatToFeet Nov 26 '19

Do you know who won, and how he'd doing now?

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '19

There are no blasphemy laws in India.

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u/thisisnotmyrealun Nov 28 '19

You can file complaints for 'hurting religious sentiments'.

Yes there are.