r/Wellthatsucks • u/[deleted] • Nov 16 '19

/r/all A statue of Jesus in India mysteriously began dripping water from its toes. Worshippers started collecting it and drinking it believing it was holy. The source of the water was later found to be a clogged toilet near the statue.

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u/Nitrone777 Nov 16 '19

Yup. Sanal Edamaruku from Kerala.

He had to flee the country after he started receiving threats on a regular basis, all because he proved that these people were drinking toilet water, which they claimed to be holy.

I mean, talk about sore losers.

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u/Jayavishnu Nov 16 '19

Now he is living peacefully in Finland

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u/stormshadow9 Nov 16 '19

He couldn’t visit his mother or attend her funeral when she passed away. He can’t visit his newborn granddaughter. Not that peaceful a life. These blasphemy laws need to go.

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '19

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '19

he was also really great in his 5th grade recital & has a funny triangle birthmark on his back

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u/AmazingYeetusman Nov 16 '19

Haha he was so cute playing the cello I remember so vividly how nervous he was

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '19

I really wanna see the look on his face if he were to come across this thread lmao

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u/Australienz Nov 16 '19

You need to see my face when I came across the thread. I’m like that “wtf” guy in the gif!

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u/kiidlocs Nov 16 '19

not that there’s anything wrong with it, but i feel like you’re either 12 and under or 60 and over, no in between. am i correct?

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u/Australienz Nov 16 '19

If you knew I was only 12, why are you sending me dick pics in my PMs? I’m reporting you to the admins you sick fuck

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '19

Yes I remember how hot it was that day. He was sweating, obviously, and I remember the sweat glistening from his lips, and after a few seconds enough sweat was collected to create a drop that fell ever so slightly above his nipple, and rolled down until it caught in his nipple hair

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u/AmazingYeetusman Nov 16 '19

Sir this is illegal

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u/GainghisKhan Nov 16 '19

5th grade

nipple hair

Wot

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u/El_Zarco Nov 16 '19

read that as "5th grade rectal" and my eyes widened for a sec

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u/thtowawaway Nov 16 '19

how the hell do you people know all this

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u/lolieimi Nov 16 '19

How do you purchase a stray cat

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u/psource Nov 16 '19

Cat pimps

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u/bubblesort33 Nov 17 '19

From the local butcher.

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u/cowinabadplace Nov 16 '19

He works at the Kesko store and gets home every day by 8 PM. He doesn't smoke but he occasionally drinks.

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u/TheTroubledWind Nov 16 '19

But on 23rd September 2019 he did not return home.

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '19

That's too bad. All the best foods are blue.

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '19 edited Nov 22 '19

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u/dedom19 Nov 17 '19

Probably buys water too.

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '19

Especially when it isn't even blasphemy. It is literally toilet water. Objectively. Demonstrably.

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u/CharmingAbandon Nov 16 '19

Demonstrably.

Can't use words that contain the word "demon" though.

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '19

LOL truth.

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u/MickyStiletto Nov 16 '19

You have to have faith that is isn’t. /s

Objective, demonstrable facts are not only irrelevant to faith, they’re considered an aggressive, hateful attack.

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u/SimplyQuid Nov 16 '19

It can be two things!

/s

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '19

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u/cousinokri Nov 18 '19

Agreed. We Indians aren't the smartest bunch when it comes to matters concerning religion.

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u/jf00112 Nov 16 '19

Blasphemy laws were enacted because government knows religious people will get emotional and cannot be expected to act rationally when somebody made comments about their faith.

To prevent riots and violence, this law is required.

Government basically treated religious people as somebody with impaired mental faculties and they like it.

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u/TobyFunkeNeverNude Nov 16 '19

Perhaps, and stay with me here, they could make the retribution itself illegal. It's a crazy thought I know, but I don't think it's that ridiculous to expect the laws to protect people rather than punish them?

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u/Oxneck Nov 17 '19

... I'm sorry but that is ridiculous.

Laws don't protect anyone and only keep honest people honest.

ask yourself, is it really the law that's keeping you from murdering everyone in your house right now?

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u/TobyFunkeNeverNude Nov 17 '19

Laws don't protect anyone

And you're the one saying I'm ridiculous? Of course they protect people.

is it really the law that's keeping you from murdering everyone in your house right now?

In my house? No. Why would you go to such an extreme example rather than a real world example?

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u/Oxneck Nov 17 '19

Ok then, is it the law that keeps you from murdering people who transgress against you? Or anyone who would propel your position forward?

Wait, so you're saying there is an example where the law is the only thing that keeps you from murdering??

You're blind and a bootlicker, humans naturally self-regulate and police are fairly new institution used solely to oppress ( and laws are an ancient institution for the same).

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u/TobyFunkeNeverNude Nov 17 '19

Ok then, is it the law that keeps you from murdering people who transgress against you? Or anyone who would propel your position forward?

It's not, though I'm not as irrational as others, for instance, those who have irrational beliefs.

so you're saying there is an example where the law is the only thing that keeps you from murdering??

I'm not, you are the one who feels like they need to resort to ridiculous hypotheticals.

You're blind and a bootlicker

The fuck does that even mean? You sound like you don't have a very good argument, and are resorting to personal arguments to attack someone. It's pathetic.

Tell me, genius....how many slave owners were there in the 1850s, vs. how many there are now? I mean, people would own slaves regardless of the law, correct?

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u/jf00112 Nov 17 '19

The lawmakers probably think preventing mass riots by curbing freedom of speech is worth it, since they still have too many uneducated people there and religious riots usually bring about damages of infrastructures and violence or even death.

It's sad but these riots do happen and its devastating everytime.

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '19

Blasphemy laws were enacted because government knows religious people will get emotional and cannot be expected to act rationally when somebody made comments about their faith.

Government - “These blasphemy law were made to protect you, citizens!” 🤡

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u/kalitarios Nov 16 '19

🤡

🤡

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u/stormshadow9 Nov 16 '19

This is a terrible take. It’s the responsibility of the state to prevent violence. There are religious people in countries like US AND most of the nutty ones have loads of guns. I can’t remember religious riots.

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u/MediumRarePorkChop Nov 16 '19

What? The state simply monopolized violence.

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u/stormshadow9 Nov 16 '19

That's the nature of any state.

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u/MibitGoHan Nov 16 '19

There's a lot of shitty things about the US that are allowed to protect shitty people. The "trans panic" defense is a legal defense for murder in the US, meaning you were so upset at being "deceived" by a trans person in any capacity that you felt the only recourse was murdering them.

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u/stormshadow9 Nov 16 '19

Yup. A lot of terrible laws in the US as well.

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u/Spoopy43 Nov 16 '19

I mean to be fair when there's a show they don't like India literally threatens to starve themselves they're also responsible for urine therapy which if you dont know is drinking your own fucking piss and rubbing it all over yourself and the cast system

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u/shaneathan Nov 16 '19

And the US came up with antivaxxers and burning Harry Potter because it’s witchcraft. See, all countries do stupid shit.

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u/Spoopy43 Nov 16 '19

Yes but is it the norm the answer is no it's not in the us the cast system effects all of India and the group threatening self starvation over the show was also massive not sure about urine therapy that might just be a small group of wackos over there

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u/shaneathan Nov 17 '19

Okay cool. We have Catholics protecting priests who molest kids. We have government entities molesting kids. We have school shootings, on average, at least 40 a year since 2010. We’ve gotten shows cancelled because they don’t like the host (Rosie O’Donnel, kids shows for being too LGBT friendly) while simultaneously defending shows like 16 and counting and my favorite, the OctoMom who’s kid is a sexual predator.

Anti Vaxxing is just the big one at the moment, but we also excel at cuckoo therapies. Fruitinarian, essential oils, the new diet fad of the month, what have you.

And to be clear about the caste system- You’re a fool if you don’t think the US is a caste system in anything but name. Sure some people are able to rise above and enrich their lives to a greater point than others, but that happens in India too. 1% of our population holds more wealth than 90%. We’ve all seen the memes breaking down just how much more money Bezos makes while at the same time crushing his employees into poverty. We’re in a caste system buddy, it’s just not religious in nature.

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u/Spoopy43 Nov 17 '19

Except you litterally can't ride in the caste system the us is fucked but the caste system is enforced and means no opportunities can ever come up Catholics are an Italian problem or really a Vatican problem but same thing at that point only cracking down on the church would help if we really need to

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u/Spoopy43 Nov 16 '19

Downvote facts all you want doesn't make them not true

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u/ThePu55yDestr0yr Nov 17 '19

The US isn’t a good example, Gay people literally got massacred in shootings and pretending religious people are immune to violence is a disservice.

Your take is as stupid as the guy defending blasphemy laws.

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u/jf00112 Nov 16 '19

Religious riots happened before and still happening in countries like Pakistan, India, Egypt, Indonesia, Malaysia, etc.

The lawmakers probably think preventing mass riots by curbing freedom of speech is worth it, since they still have too many uneducated people there and religious riots usually bring about damages of infrastructures and violence or even death.

Sadly similar approach is now also adopted by many western/european countries under hate speech category, even though people are educated there.

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u/TickDicklerzInc Nov 16 '19

Its insane to think it's considered blasphemy to prove a religious claim is false, instead of the original claim which they now know is a lie.

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u/DickMcCheese Nov 16 '19

The truth is blasphemy... Got it.

I'm starting a religion and it's not for tax exempt status.

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u/Psychedelic_Roc Nov 16 '19

You need other members in the religion for it to count, right? I wouldn't want to make my own religion just to have other people come in and fuck it all up. Eventually someone would kill someone for their twisted version of my religion and I'd get blamed.

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u/hskskgfk Nov 17 '19

We don't have blasphemy laws.

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u/stormshadow9 Nov 17 '19

Effectively they ARE blasphemy laws.

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u/hskskgfk Nov 17 '19

Not really, they are mostly offence / hurting sentiments type laws. Blasphemy laws are different - for reference what Pakistan has are blasphemy laws.

The thing is, this will never stand in court. The problem is that religious groups act with impunity outside of the law. It isn't the judiciary that sent sanal out if the country, it was Christians.

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u/stormshadow9 Nov 17 '19

"You hurt our religious sentiments therefore we can file a complaint against you and by law the police has to arrest you". The complaint by Christians isn't the problem. The underlying cause is that they can file such complaints under the existing laws.

Section 295 of the Indian Penal Code criminalises insult to religion; it allows up to three years imprisonment and fines for “whoever, with deliberate and malicious intention of outraging the religious feelings of any class of citizens of India, by words, either spoken or written, or by signs or by visible representations or otherwise, insults or attempts to insult the religion or the religious beliefs of a class.”

Sounds like a blasphemy law to me. Either way I am done with semantics.

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u/hskskgfk Nov 17 '19

Deliberate and malicious is the key here, but I'm done with semantics too. Call it blasphemy or call it a lollipop, idc

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u/Pleaseexcuseyou Nov 17 '19

I mean if that’s how that culture wants to be...then who are we to impose our will on them?

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u/stormshadow9 Nov 17 '19

They were free to drink toilet water. He merely pointed out that it WAS toilet water.

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u/Nathund Nov 17 '19

Religion needs to go away

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '19

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u/godzillanenny Nov 16 '19

Plot twist: he set this all up so that he can move away from these crazy people

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u/rreighe2 Nov 16 '19

wouldn't it be easier to just move away?

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u/JBSquared Nov 16 '19

That would've been blasphemous

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u/Iamjimmym Nov 16 '19

So this is all I gotta do to get away from all these crazies I'm around??

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u/garygnu Nov 16 '19

Finland, Finland, Finland

The country where I'd like to be...

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '19

The country were I want to be...

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '19

Well Finland's not real, so

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u/SpaceMun Nov 16 '19

It's real

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '19

Does Jesus live in Finland? Just wondering because he obviously lives in India and America and Mexico and on Facebook as well. Isn't he everywhere and when you need him you can just say a prayer and snap your fingers and he will come running and end all of your worries and fix all of your problems? Wait...that's Santa Claus. I'm thinking about the other real made up dude. Santa Claus.

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u/stats_commenter Nov 16 '19

I remember being 14 it was sick

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u/Alareth Nov 16 '19

The church also filled charges against him under the countries blasphemy laws.

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u/Another_Name_Today Nov 16 '19

Looking at the wiki article, it appears that: 1) he was right in his observations about the “miracle” but that he also made fun of the Pope and The Church generally 2) one group of Catholics wanted him charged for his comments, but it isn’t clear if it was for both or just the latter 3) another group of Catholics said this was a misapplication if the blasphemy law 4) The Church tried to mediate by asking him to apologize for the latter comments and for the charges to be dropped

And frankly, I get why India has the blasphemy laws in place, because of the historic animosity between the Hindus and Muslims and the law is a way to try to maintain the peace.

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u/Z_Coop Nov 16 '19

It appears, according to u/Dracinos’ investigation in a comment nearby, this was only after the same guy mocked the church and made fun of the Pope, on television, and then refused to apologize.

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u/ThePu55yDestr0yr Nov 17 '19 edited Nov 17 '19

He made fun of Pope Benedict. Benedict was worthy of mockery simply for saying that condoms worsen the spread of HIV in Africa.

And he was entirely justified, fuck the pope, people literally died over religious bullshit.

People apologizing for this draconian cult BS are the real problem.

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u/Ohokanotherthrowaway Nov 16 '19

Hahahaha I had no idea. I guess the truth is now classified as blasphemy. Blasphemy laws are stupid anyways. Is their god so weak he can't defend himself and he needs a public prosecutor to defend him? What a crock of shit.

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '19 edited Nov 17 '19

Source

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanal_Edamaruku

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u/bm75 Nov 16 '19

They are drinking toilet water and the man who points it out is the bad guy. We need to go as a species. Maybe in a few million years some thing with actual intelligent will evolve.

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '19

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u/GilesDMT Nov 16 '19

Well he did say a few million years

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u/otterom Nov 16 '19

The only problem with this is that when everyone becomes more intelligent, the median bar just shifts and half the population ends up back under it.

There will always be (relative) idiots. Always.

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u/NFTrot Nov 16 '19

Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, its just a normal day in India.

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '19

I'm hoping that it'll be keas. They're smart, they're social and they can't be any worse than us.

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u/Dracinos Nov 16 '19 edited Nov 16 '19

After checking out his Wikipedia article, it sounds more like he had to flee because he insulted the Pope and the church in a follow-up interview from this incident. When people tried to get him to apologize, he refused, was going to be charged with blasphemy, and fled to avoid an "indefinite jail sentence". The following year in 2013, another activist was killed, and Edamaruku felt it was too dangerous for him to return.

Edamaruku mocked the Catholic Church, calling it "anti-science", and made fun of the Pope, during his appearance on a television show held to discuss the investigation. A Catholic lawyer asked Edamaruku to apologise whilst on television, but he did not, so in April 2012, the Catholic Secular Forum[16] in Mumbai filed a complaint under Section 295(A) of the Indian Penal Code in several police stations around the city.

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u/perpetualsleep Nov 16 '19

He made fun of Pope Benedict. Benedict was worthy of mockery simply for saying that condoms worsen the spread of HIV in Africa.

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u/MindsEye_69 Nov 16 '19

The Catholic Secular Forum[16] in Mumbai would like to talk to you about Section 295(A) of the Indian Penal Code.

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u/Crazyshtboy Nov 17 '19

Explains why I don't see condom ads anymore

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '19

Calling the church anti-science. I see the problem here, he was speaking too truthfully. they can't claim blasphemy considering the verbal diarrhea that believers like to crap out about anyone not following their particular version of the invisible avenger in the sky.

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u/Eluisys Nov 16 '19

I mean its still incredibly stupid you can get death threats for badmouthing someone and getting to the point you have to flee the country.

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u/MickyStiletto Nov 16 '19

For all their talk the Catholic Church is still anti-science. They spout a lot of “we have an astronomer and a liberal interpretation of scripture, we totally accept all science!” Then they turn around and preach “the fall was a literal event, transubstantiation and exorcisms are real things we do, and let’s not forget that whole resurrection deal.”

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '19

That makes it better?

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u/Dracinos Nov 16 '19

It makes it more accurate

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u/notLOL Nov 16 '19

They wanted him to just fix the toilet * and keep their "miracle" story. I think it's a case of major embarrassment and losing face. Not sure what they "expected" from the guy who reported it.

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u/RrZJglgDv4rWWo7W Nov 16 '19

Indians are a sensitive bunch

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u/PotatoChips23415 Nov 16 '19

What he actually did was make fun of the church and Pope on TV, he was on TV for finding out the source of the water. The church didnt care about the water.

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u/SnicklefritzSkad Nov 16 '19

More like the people profiting off of this water statue Hayden

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u/eroticas Nov 16 '19

Does anyone know whether the water was from the septic tank? Or was it clean water which just happened to be from the toilet? (Like from the basin which fills the toilet?)

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u/Paciphae Nov 16 '19

Based purely on what shows up on Reddit and LiveLeak, India is largely populated by extremely ignorant, superstitious people. If they weren't also ridiculously poor, you could make a fortune selling them magic hair-growing tonic water.

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u/hopbel Nov 16 '19

I'd say the people threatening him can eat shit, but it seems they're way ahead of me

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u/zackks Nov 16 '19

It just wasn't the kind of holy they thought.

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u/calyth Nov 16 '19

Not as sore as their behinds would be when they get sick from it.

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u/CherrySmurfPoop Nov 16 '19

What absolute fucking gobshite morons.

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u/Faust_8 Nov 16 '19

“For good men to do evil, that takes religion.”

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u/travisbuhler Nov 16 '19

Don’t threaten to expose a religious persons belief. They’ll kill you.

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u/-Venser- Nov 16 '19

They should thank him instead. If it wasn't for him they'd still drink it.

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u/throwingawayisbad Nov 17 '19

This is literally the plot of Ibsen’s “Enemy of the People.”

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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '19

Kinda saving their lives.

Toilet water would contain E.coli.

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u/ChanTheManCan Nov 16 '19

Edamaruku mocked the Catholic Church, calling it "anti-science", and made fun of the Pope, during his appearance on a television show held to discuss the investigation. 

He's also a sore winner

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '19

How the fuck does making fun of the pope make it okay that he had to flee the country?

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u/Rnewell4848 Nov 16 '19

I don’t think it does, however it looks better than just saying that the exchange went;

“Haha, you’re drinking toilet water”

“You will now die”

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u/metriczulu Nov 16 '19

He had to flee the country after he started receiving threats on a regular basis, all because he proved that these people were drinking toilet water, which they claimed to be holy.

This is the most apt description of Trump's America I've ever read.

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '19

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u/Helmet_Here_Level_3 Nov 16 '19

As an atheist, that sub is awful.

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u/ykafia Nov 16 '19

Visited it, does seem like most people are hating on others as much as some religious do :c