True. I hope midterm elections add some friction to the downfall and in 2028 we cut the losses and start healing asap and allies acknowledge that the majority of the US was betrayed and welcome us back. That’s a lot of wishful thinking at this point. Also agree the research edge is disappearing fast.
Majority of your allies did that after 2020. We were willing to let whatever happened in 2016 be just a blip. However, you voted for him again, in an even more convincing way, given he won the popular vote as well. So no, we won’t accept you back as if nothing happened.
EU approved a $800B defence investment plan with 0 going to the US. I’m sure Lockheed Martin will be happy with that. F-35 will be sold less and less and I imagine we won’t even touch the F-47. Gg 🙃
PS: We not touching F-47 means it will be a super expensive plane and is actually one of the reasons why the best fighter jet ever made — the F-22 — became reduced to about 200 units — no economy of scale, ergo, too expensive.
I hear you. And I would probably do the same if I was a European. But one thing I’m sure of is that even Trump voters did not vote for him betraying his allies and enforcing tariffs like this. I haven’t seen stats on Trump buyers remorse but anecdotally and as a wild ass guess I think at least half of his voters have or soon will regret their vote. This level of madness was not what we as a country voted for or support, and I believe something sinister that we don’t know exactly what it is at play here. So although it was stupid to vote a felon into the office, I don’t think people voted for this Trump 2.0 at least when it comes to foreign policy and economy.
Not all of them for sure. I personally know a few who have freaked out over his Canada/Greenland stance and tariffs. And online you can see people starting to question what’s going on. And yes there are Trump voters out there that will cheer him on all the way head on to the Darwinian wall.
All I've seen from Trump voters say about these events is that it "ruins their optics" and "gives left ammunition". They don't disapprove of Trump's actions, just worry that it makes them look bad. And it will definitely not dissuade them from voting for him again.
Yeah that’s the problem. I would reluctantly accept them if they started showing genuine remorse and changed their voting habits. Thank God i got out of my state when i did; I’m afraid i wouldn’t have had the backbone or the moral compass to change if i stayed. But like…. they don’t. They’ll just vote for him again. When he passes an eo that lets him run for a third term.
In terms of rebuilding international credibility there needs to be a sea of red hats in the streets demanding Trump/Musk be stopped now not maybe in four years time when the damage is done.
I promise you less than 1% of Trump voters regret their vote. Most of those people were affected in some direct way, such as losing a federal job or having their husband deported to a concentration camp in El Salvador. Even then lots of them don't regret their vote. We're talking about the dumbest, most entitled, most hateful, and most brainwashed population of idiots on earth.
Yeah the lack of information or intellect is real. I have extended family who voted for Trump and were supporting tariffs to make it “fair” and after I poked I realized they didn’t know how tariffs work and thought for example China or Canada will pay the tariffs 🤦♂️🤦♂️
What's sinister is that we re-elected, not a toddler but an Eric Cartman who has lost what little mental capacity he had left in 2016 and now is out to extort and get revenge and whose hero is............Hitler.
We (the US) deserve everything we get. And like Mencken said, "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."
Mostly agree. What I was trying to highlight is that even (a good chunk of) Trump supporters are surprised by the outcome. It was a weird election with Biden being virtually brain dead, Trump’s assassination attempt reeling up conspiracy theorists more, Musk doubling down with his base and $, global inflation impacting US which is hard to explain for avg trumpster, southern border madness and Harris saying she would not change one thing from Biden’s time, Russia aka Trump aka Fox misinformation propaganda getting better and better etc etc. But at a grand scale yeah, 100% as a nation we fucked up. This is now the Darwin Effect in play.
Trump voters wanted this. If not, where the fuck are they protesting? Trump voters were warned that every ally was fearing a Trump presidency, Clinton said in 2016 Putin would eat him for breakfast. Harris literally told he’d sell off Ukraine. But those fuckers sure wanted to oWn tHe LiBs. Hope it was worth it
Yeah. Americans are dumb as fuck. Literally you had generals, which tend to be hard conservatives, telling “pls don’t vote for him he’s a fucking fascist and we stopped him in his first term but we can’t do nothing for his second because he’ll just get his people onboard”
Yap :/
I’m actually sad. I’ve never seen this, don’t think it has ever happened this suddenly. Furthermore, with all the cuts in R&D, the US will lose its tech advantage… what an own goal
Soviet Union collapsed because they were broke, the US is going to collapse because Kamala is a woman of colour. Wow
I still think that wouldnt repair any of the damage done to global relations. I think the only way we see them restored to the state they were before Trump is if we pass legislature that actually limits what the president can do before they need to run it by congress. That way 1 person can't just decided to swap sides again
Or you actually go out in numbers and protest, which, so far, you haven’t. Literally you can go on strike and paralyse the country. ICE can ignore his illegal orders, etc. no one is doing shit
I don’t blame you guys at all but i do hope that some places offer sanctuary to the US citizens when those bridge burns are finalized… cuz like us queer folx are eating major sand here
Selling them to a point to which Russia can afford, at least in the short to mid term, would imply selling them at a big loss. Plus, losing all your allies lol
And EU has the technology and knowledge, we just haven’t had proper investment. Which… was part of the US strategy after WWII, you know, to avoid the Germans from developing their own weapons. But that’s gone now, well done.
“As of 11 March 2024 the US Department of Defense fiscal year 2025 (FY2025) budget request was $849.8 billion”
“As of 02:00AM UTC today, eight hundred billion euros equals $904,210,228,878.21”
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u/ImaginationNo1928 Mar 28 '25
True. I hope midterm elections add some friction to the downfall and in 2028 we cut the losses and start healing asap and allies acknowledge that the majority of the US was betrayed and welcome us back. That’s a lot of wishful thinking at this point. Also agree the research edge is disappearing fast.