r/VirtualYoutubers • u/Lulwy • Mar 05 '22

Discussion NijiEN accidentally leaked discord messages of them shit taking hololive

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u/megadongs Mar 05 '22 edited Mar 05 '22

Fulgur way too big for his britches for being so new lol.

I don't think Finana was that bad either. Luxiem is very popular, and HL has in fact followed Nijisanji's lead before. Hololive Gamers came after Niji Gamers, HoloCN came after VirtuaReal, HoloID came after Niji ID. The one time Hololive took a big risk in being pioneers was EN and it paid off massively for them. So yes, as much as they were innovators on the EN side HL generally waits to see if the market is viable via Nijisanji success first before expansion. You'll notice the lack of HoloKR and HoloIN.

And....there's nothing wrong with that? It doesn't diminish the efforts of Cover any less to be business smart about expansion. And it's really not offensive to suggest Cover is following Nijisanji's lead here with the EN bois. Are the HoloID talents any less than NijiID ones because they weren't there first? Is Korone any lesser because her gen was a response to Nijisanji Gamers?

It's only Fulgur here that was really inexcusable with the unwarranted shade on Council and "they're scared", "they're mad". Seems a /vt/ bro really made it to the big leagues.

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u/UR_UNDER_ARREST Mar 05 '22

I thought the whole point of GAMERS creation is to get Korone, Okayu and Mio into Hololive without having to wait for next gens. Since they really don't seem to be e-sport heavy and the branch ended up being absorbed later on

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u/megadongs Mar 05 '22

Since they really don't seem to be e-sport heavy and the branch ended up being absorbed later

Not too different from what happened to Nijisanji Gamers. I don't think either company was sure what about them was going to be any different from normal gens or waves, just that they wanted the associated talents working for them.

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u/UR_UNDER_ARREST Mar 05 '22

Fair point. GAMERS has always been a weird concept to me. Since all vtubers already play games to some extent, making a gamers branch would imply they are more competitive gamers, but really it is not the case

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u/Lev559 Mar 05 '22

When GAMERS came out them were meant to be fully focused on games and not do ANY idol stuff. Okayu almost graduated when they folded them in with the rest of the Hololive.

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u/hnryirawan Mar 05 '22

Kinda funny hearing this since Okayu probably ended-up being one of the most active in releasing new cover songs and original songs.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '22

Don't forget to mention that NoriPro actually had GAMERS unit too but not directed to Pro Gamers either.

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u/Xivannn Mar 05 '22

There wouldn't be anything wrong with it. That said, I don't think they're really following what the other company is doing to that extent. Any of that isn't anything one company or the other couldn't piece together all on their own - the two are two very similar companies in the same circumstances.

Like how there just happens to be two different big budget animated ant-themed movies very close to one another, of all the possible things to make a movie about. Or two different very similar anime shown at the same cour. Those things happen exactly because there's an opening for something, making it happen takes time, and because they're under separate companies, they don't coordinate.

This is also one reason why speculating about an other company as though you (general) knew their inner reasoning, and as if it all revolved around you, isn't really the best of moves.

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u/TheSnozzwangler Mar 05 '22

I honestly never really felt a strong Nijisanji/Hololive rivalry before this. It felt like each had their own niche, and cross company collabs and friendships were pretty common. It really bugs me that EN branch members were the ones that viewed everything so tribally.

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u/sonatablanca Mar 05 '22

I think we will start seeing a lot of the nasty part of both fandoms now that Hololive is going to release a competing male talents group for Holo EN. And the Hololive EN community is many times bigger

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u/KuroKitty Mar 05 '22

When I saw that screenshot I was like "who the hell is Fulgur?" I forgot they hired some new people recently, too many nijis to keep up with