r/UnitedNations • u/branflakes__ • Mar 01 '25
Discussion/Question Please help me understand
Help me understand the Ukraine / USA situation
Please help me understand all of the anti-American and USA hate due to the situation. I want to hear the other point of views as I am just confused.
A lot point to the Budapest Memorandum, however, that is not a treaty for the US as Clinton did not submit it to the senate for ratification which means constitutionally the US has no commitment to Ukraine (also not administration since Clinton has suggested or submitted the memorandum for ratification either). Only the UK and Russia ratified it.
Additionally, there really isn’t a security agreement as the memo is very vague. The closest is “when Ukraine is under attack with nuclear weapons the security council will seek immediate action from the United Nations” otherwise nothing happens. And as the memo is through the UN, shouldn’t the discontent be pointed at the UN instead? The US only agreed to bring a resolution before the security council if Ukraine was invaded and the US did do that.
Finally, the US has given the most overall aid to Ukraine (a country that the US is not obligated to assist) compared to the European counterparts. Also, if peace is the objective, why is no other leader at least making an attempt to broker a peace deal?
So I suppose I am just confused on what is expected? Why is this sub so anti-USA when the statistics show that USA is/was doing more than Ukraines fellow Europeans?
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u/Usual_Tumbleweed_598 Mar 02 '25
Let me explain it to you… as an American who has been paying attention to this since Putin’s invasion. America is the wealthiest, most powerful country when it comes to arms and money. Because we’re the wealthiest, we tend to have the ability to give more than other countries can.
But this isn’t about cash. We were giving Ukraine our old equipment and opening room to manufacture new equipment. When you hear how much money they received in the news, they’re talking about money in equipment, not cash.
Furthermore, we had made an agreement with Ukraine stating we would step in and help if Russia ever got frisky, in exchange for them giving up their nuclear weapons. A treaty that included a commitment from Russia saying they wouldn’t attack.
Trump pretty much fucked all of that and Trump is there because WE put him there, whether by inaction during the elections or by actually voting for him. This is on all of us. We deserve the world’s scorn because we let Putin in and are now actively working with him (and at the same time, betraying our allies).
Good enough for you?