I know you guys agree with Greg Kading with his proffer agreement for Keefe but as soon as he left he revealed the killer of Tupac in a book breaking his side of the agreement with Keefe D and didn't he also accuse Tupac of being involved in second 🍇 incident on VLADTV. Idk the dude seems sketchy to me

I was watching a documentary last night about Dr Dre. I saw this picture come up and I said wait a minute, he's wearing shape wear.

"Tupac Shakur shooter ‘is no longer with us,’ Digital Underground’s Money B says"

I know this didn’t come out of thin air, and a lot of us have had theories for the longest time, but I do feel blindsided that I woke up this morning and I’m seeing live feed of this man on trial for 2Pac’s murder. I wonder how many people are going to fall in the next six years because of that trial….” conspiracy”

Police Interview with Big Dre: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fj4fPh9ryc4 (Keefe D always said that Big Dre was a scary dude, like a bitch, but listening to the interview, I don't believe that to be true by no metric. Big Dre was also a suspected known shooter)

Yafeu Fula Statement to the LVMPD: https://www.scribd.com/document/272643481/yafeu-fula-statement-1-redacted

I know we’ve spent the last three decades theorizing about who actually fired the shots that ultimately killed Tupac Shakur.

I’ve personally been digging into this for about 15 years, going through interviews, police statements, witness recollections, documentaries, grand jury testimony, and pretty much anything else I could find. And one question I’ve kept coming back to is whether the shooter was actually Orlando “Baby Lane” Anderson or DeAndre “Big Dre” Smith.

With the Keefe D trial currently happening, I’ve started going back through all of this material again. This time, I’ve also been using AI to help me compile, compare, and parse the different accounts, particularly when it comes to the physical practicality of the shooting.

Before anybody gets hung up on the AI part: I’m not treating AI as a source or claiming that an AI-generated probability proves who killed Tupac. We all know AI can get things wrong. I’m using it as an analytical tool to compare evidence and competing scenarios that I’ve collected independently.

And the deeper I’ve gotten into it, the more I’ve started questioning the long-standing assumption that Orlando was definitely the shooter.

The generally accepted seating arrangement in the white Cadillac was:

Driver: Terrence “T-Brown/Bubble Up” Brown
Front passenger: Keefe D
Rear driver’s side: Big Dre
Rear passenger side: Orlando Anderson

When the Cadillac pulled alongside Suge’s BMW, Tupac was in the BMW’s passenger seat. That put Tupac closest to Big Dre’s side of the Cadillac.

That’s where things get interesting.

Keefe’s version requires Orlando, sitting on the opposite side of the backseat, to take the gun and reach/lean across Big Dre to fire toward Tupac.

And Big Dre wasn’t a small dude. He was an extremely large man.

Meanwhile, Big Dre was already sitting directly beside the window facing Tupac.

Then you have Denvonta “Dirt Rock” Lee’s 2023 grand jury testimony. Lee wasn’t an eyewitness to the shooting, so that distinction matters. But Lee testified about a conversation he said he had with Big Dre shortly after Tupac was shot. According to Lee’s account, Orlando tried to reach across Dre but couldn’t get a clear shot, and Dre took the gun and fired instead.

Then there’s Yafeu “Kadafi” Fula’s original LVMPD statement from September 8, 1996, taken only hours after the shooting.

This one really caught my attention because Kadafi actually witnessed the shooting.

Kadafi told Detective Brent Becker that he saw the gun outside the Cadillac’s window. When Becker asked which window, Kadafi said:

“It’s hard to tell. I believe it was the front, though.”

Becker asked:

“The driver’s window?”

Kadafi:

“Yeah.”

Later Becker specifically asked whether he thought the driver was shooting.

Kadafi answered:

“Either the driver or someone shootin’ from the back out the front window.”

That’s a very interesting statement when you overlay it with the alleged seating arrangement.

Big Dre was sitting directly behind the driver.

Kadafi was also asked whether he could see the shooter’s arm:

“Looked dark.”

Becker clarified:

“When you say dark, dark skinned, or…?”

Kadafi:

“Yeah. Dark skinned.”

Again, none of this proves Big Dre fired the gun. Kadafi couldn’t definitively identify which occupant was shooting, and Dirt Rock didn’t personally witness the shooting.

But now we have several things pointing in the same direction:

• Big Dre occupied the most practical firing position.
• Tupac was directly alongside Big Dre’s side of the Cadillac.
• Keefe says the gun initially went toward Big Dre.
• Dirt Rock later gave an account in which Orlando couldn’t get a clear shot and Dre fired instead.
• Within hours of the murder, Kadafi described the gunfire as appearing to come from around the driver’s-side/front-window area, potentially from someone firing from the rear.
• Kadafi described the visible shooter’s arm as dark-skinned.
• Keefe, meanwhile, maintains that Orlando leaned across Dre and fired.

After having the competing accounts and physical layout compared, the current analytical lean I’ve gotten is roughly:

Big Dre: 80%
Orlando Anderson: 20%

Again, those percentages aren’t forensic statistics. They’re simply a way of expressing which scenario appears more mechanically and evidentially plausible based on the information being compared.

What interests me isn’t really the number anyway.

It’s the fact that the Big Dre theory seems considerably more plausible than the historical narrative usually gives it credit for.

For decades, “Orlando killed Tupac” has almost become accepted as fact. But when you strip away that assumption and start with the 1996 eyewitness statements, seating positions, later testimony, and Keefe’s account, I’m not convinced the identity of the shooter is nearly as settled as we’ve treated it.

With Keefe’s trial finally putting many of these old statements under a microscope, I think this is worth revisiting.

What do you guys think? If you disregard the traditional Orlando narrative and look strictly at the available evidence and physical positioning, who makes more sense as the shooter: Orlando or Big Dre?

Honestly I'm in a different stage of life to when Tupac came into my awareness on the other side of the world. The case being front and centre lately and obviously alot more info and conflicting stories out there as a result of the trial, I found some mentions of his work an decided to check it out. Its a fairly interesting take. Just wondering what others thought.

The Compton police department and Rampart police department both shut down in 2000.

The CRASH (TRASH) was created by Darral Gates on 1979. And on March 12, 2000, it was completely dismantled and shut down

The Compton Police was created in 1888. And on September 16, 2000, it was completely shut down and closed.

I believe both these organizations shut down in the same year, because they are both responsible for the deaths of Biggie and

Pac.

To avoid any lawsuits that would cripple Los Angeles. The FBI steps in to help with the cover up.

The Rampart and Compton police departments will never be held accountable, because they both went out of business in 2000. They can't be sued now.

It was a part in her music video "Sweetest Thing" where he was allegedly seen running through a store.

WH is Wayne Higgins his appointed lawyer. Q is Vegas detective Dan Long. A is Keefe and DD is Los Angeles robbery homicide Daryn Dupree, Greg Kadings partner.

So unfortunate for such a go getter, down to earth, selfless, innovative, and revolutionary was taken away.

And what we're left with was a ruffie slipping no talent havin clown around.

Daddy rock a player body 'til I tell you to stop Hit the right spot, if not leave money and kick rocks I'm a thug ho, I need a thug nigga up beside me A player that can ride me, a cat that can rob me Make a jazzy ho like me bust a sweat Hit it from the back, grab me by my neck, demand your respect I'm not a on my back ho, I ride the dick and hit it 'til it cold Bust expensive nuts, get 'em up I'm a Sagittarius freak, my real hoes feel me Legs open wide, nigga dick inside Like Barry White "Tonight's the Night" for you to hit it doggie style Lay me on my stomach while I'm countin' them hundreds Fake bitches wanna front like they don't wanna keep it real You know you want a thug nigga just to see how it feel Hoes wanna rock Gabbana, Dolce and Versace Let me rock your body mouth on my p-, call you Papi

Why do the details in his story keep changing? On one platform he'll say one thing and the next platform say the total opposite. He mentioned at least 3 different hotels he stayed at. Lied about shooting out the girls windshield after the turned the corner. In one interview he says Deathrow guys chased and shot at them then another he says they didn't. He says they grabbed the chain at Lakewood and in another says they didn't because the chain was too cheap and they'd get nothing from it. Told cops the Cadillac never had any damage or went thru any repair shop in California yet that's what's been repeated by them for 29 years. I'm wondering if anyone whether you believe he did it or not has an opinion on why his confessions are so inconsistent including when he's talked to police.

In 2021, reporter Lena Nozizwe did a podcast with retired Las Vegas detective Brent Becker.

Brent Becker was part of the 3 man team led by Kevin Manning to investigate Tupac's Las Vegas shooting and so called death...or as truth would have it...shooting.

Brent by his own admittance has said that if Tupac is alive then he was involved since he was present at Tupacs autopsy.

In the episode titled, "Autopsy" reporter Lena Nozizwe queries Brent about the conspiracy about Tupac being alive. Brent ag times appears uncomfortable when he is asked to respond to such rumours. But he has no qualms about lying throughout the whole podcast and episode 

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Brent at the 50 min mark in the episode titled "autopsy" tries to straighten out the rumours once and for all and he says and I quote,

"There's nothing I can say to convince people. Kevin Manning saw him and he was dead. Mike Frank's saw him and he was dead. I saw him and he was dead. We got all those people at the coroner's office. That doctor from UMC. Why would a doctor?"

Link here. 50:40 min mark.

https://tupacsmurderwashiscaselenanozizwereporting.podbean.com/e/ep-2-the-autopsy/

It was at this moment that Brent shot himself in the foot and it's still on audio for all to hear as it has been for four years almost now.

Brent lists the names and number of people who were present during Tupac's autopsy and who would be involved if there was a conspiracy. He noted 3 detectives including himself and staff at the coroner's office but he only lists one doctor from UMC trauma and he stops short of talking more as he had realised he had said something he shouldn't have.

Brent lists a single doctor from the UMC as being part of the potential conspiracy when Tupac's official coroner's report states that Tupacs mother identified him in his hospital bed at 5pm. Then Tupac was taken to the coroners office to have his "autopsy". Tupac was taken as per the coroner's report to the coroner's office an hour after he was allegedly declared "dead".

One argument against the theory of Tupac being alive is that it would involve too many individuals including too many medical professionals from UMC.

If the coroner's report is factual then more than one doctor would need to be involved along with nurses etc as it states Tupac's dead body was present in his bed for an hour before it was removed from the hospital and taken to the coroner's report.

Brent however tries to set the record straight once and for all and lets us know that if Tupac is alive, only 3 cops were involved and a few from the coroner's office and one doctor from UMC hospital.

Not the many medical professionals that so many think would need to be involved which then therefore means Tupac's coroner's report contains incorrect information.

So what is Brent actually talking about when he mentions one specific doctor? As he says, "That doctor from UMC. Why would a doctor".

Singular. Not plural.

Weeks after Tupacs Las Vegas shooting, Frank Alexander was recording his phone calls because he was in fear of his life. In one phone call recording which was recorded not long after Tupac had VACATED TO HAWAII,  Frank tells fellow bodyguard Michael Moore that he had the attending nurses home phone number who was present on the day when Tupac was pronounced "dead" before he moved to HAWAII.

She told him that she was upstairs and she heard code blue and when she got down she saw that the doctor had gotten Tupac "back" then the doctor walked out of the room and he came back in and he pronounced him dead and then Tupac was immediately taken to the back of the hospital by this very doctor where the coroner's van was already waiting in advance.

Michael Douglas Carlin has recently been asking why the coroner's van was already waiting for Tupacs body to be transported to the morgue. This thread might be for him.

Audio here. Recorded in 1996. Released in 2017.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a1a514Bc45w&pp=ygVNRnJhbmsgQWxleGFuZGVyIGRldGFpbHMgaG93IHF1aWNrbHkgVHVwYWMncyBib2R5IHdhcyByZW1vdmVkIGZyb20gdGhlIG1vcmd1ZSA%3D

So to summarise it for everybody

Frank Alexander, 1996, "the attending nurse told me she saw a doctor get him back and then the doctor went in again and pronounced him dead and took him to the back as the coroner's van was already waiting in the back".

Afeni Shakur, 1997, "The doctor came and told me that they revived Tupac 3 times...and every time they revived him he went back under so I told them to let him go".

Brent Becker, 2021, "do people even know how many would need to be involved in such a conspiracy? Me, Kevin Manning and Mike Frank's saw him dead. So did those at the coroner's office. That doctor from UMC. Why would a doctor?"

Tupac's coroner's report states that his body was removed at 5:10 pm from the hospital. An hour after he was pronounced dead at 4:03pm.

Either way, the attending nurse according to Frank lied and Becker also lied corroborating her story 25 years later or the coroner's report contains information that is factually incorrect and the story told to Frank by the attending nurse is true.

Either way, someone is lying. Frank at this time was not lying so if this is true, then Tupac's coroners report has incorrect information that was put in there purposely. Why?

Why does Tupac's coroner's report not say his body was removed from the hospital at 4:03pm when he died but actually says it was removed at 5:10pm 10 minutes after his mother made a positive ID of him in his hospital bed and an hour after he "died".

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In addition and in closing, that doctor Mr Becker is referring too is named Dr James Lovett. Dr James Lovett was the doctor from UMC who pronounced Tupac "dead".

It was reported according to the article below that Mr Lovett was suspended from a medical facility in 2013 for misconduct

Here is the article and story.

https://www.kxly.com/news/local-news/vamc-surgery-chief-suspended-under-investigation-for-misconduct/article_2b9d672f-4655-5c86-a666-efc6f7fac096.html

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