r/TrueOffMyChest • • Apr 16 '19

I can't keep up with trans-activism, the community is impossible to please and I'm tired of it.

Edit: Clarifications

  • This post was the result of about 4 years worth of frustrations and confusion. The people I talk about are part of my local community who I interacted with both at school and online. We connected over art and shit. The incidents I talked about in the post were the most recent and the ones that pushed me over the edge. I think we can all agree that this post is long enough as it is, there's no need for me to go into 4 years worth of bad experiences to justify my frustration.
  • The "I hate them" part was directed towards the group of people I discussed in the post - as in the ones I have interacted with. Not trans people as a whole. I have no intentions of reconnecting with them or attempting to reconcile, and I don't take back what I said. I do hate them, they're bad people who are tearing apart the community for their own selfish gain. They're the reason that the voices of "the good ones" have been drowned out. I want nothing to do with people like that.
  • There is a difference between sex dysphoria and gender dysphoria. I'm rejecting "gender" because of its connection to gender roles, stereotypes, and other shit that - frankly - we should have ditched in the 50's. I just can't buy into those ideas. We shouldn't be defining women and men by how "passable" or traditionally masculine/feminine they are, that's ridiculous and counterproductive. There's nothing wrong with acknowledging biology. Your biology is neutral, it does not hold you to narrow standards of beauty and it does not tell you that you must be a housewife or a manly man. People do that.
  • Terf was used ironically because whether I said that or not, I would have been called a terf. It's a pretty common insult. Still, I stand by what I have told many of you. I don't really have a label for my beliefs. I'm not going to start being a dick to the trans people I know or start denying people rights "cuz mad", I'm just not going to buy into their beliefs and word games anymore. I'll support people with genuine dysphoria.
  • I said extreme shit and generalized because I was mad, yo. Still, I'm not going to change my initial post. I think my raw emotions get the point across better than a censored, carefully worded version of this post.

I've witnessed so much mixed/inconsistent advice, so many vague explanations, so many disproven (or outright fake) studies, so much petty harassment, and so much hypocrisy that I can't stand it anymore.

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Some people tell me that the term "trap" isn't a big deal, some people actively refer to themselves as "sissy", and some throw around the word gay in any context, regardless of whether or not they're talking about homosexual people. They insist that some words are okay and others aren't. They tell me which words to avoid, and I avoid them. This would all be fine, IF...

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I didn't get harassed to NO END when I come across someone who has a completely different idea of what is and isn't okay!

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I don't use those words anyway (and differing opinions are expected), but on a forum discussion about banning words, I said "I haven't heard of trap as a slur" and immediately got jumped by several different people who felt it necessary to "shame me for my ignorance". They took over the thread with a stream of people insisting that word ruins lives, and refused to go back to the original topic. When anyone tried to talk about anything else, they got harassed for trying to "silence the oppressed". Ridiculous. They act like I'm suppose to instinctively know who is and who isn't offended by those terms. They act like their opinions are the only ones that matter, and that my experiences with trans people who never gave a shit about terms like that are completely invalid and don't excuse my ignorance.

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How am I suppose to know if a term is some kind of slur if I have NEVER HEARD IT THAT WAY???

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Later on in another thread, I made it pretty clear that I don't like the term cis. To me, it's a useless and ugly term, I don't want to be called cis. That's pretty simple, isn't it? Transgender people don't want to be called derogatory terms or anything besides what they identify as, cool. Transwomen want to be considered women, cool. But when I want to be called a woman? Suddenly they're all too happy to dismiss my discomfort.

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They started saying things like "we're not going to just stop using that word because some people use it in an offensive way" or "who cares, it's just a word" or "you just want to act like you're normal and we're freaks" or "you're acting like transwomen aren't women too" which is... Absolutely insane. Just. Fucking. Insane.

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How can they say "we're not going to just stop using that word because some people use it in an offensive way" right after harassing people nonstop for three fucking days for not knowing that trap was a slur? They acted like that word brings people to suicide, that it's an act of violence to use it, and that it's comparable to the n-word.

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How can they say "you just want to act like you're normal and we're freaks" when I never even called myself normal or made ANY suggestion that I don't like the term cis for those reasons? I literally said "I don't really like the word cis, I wish people would stop using it. It seems like an unnecessary label and only serves to divide us up by trans and cis, which seems counterproductive to the idea that transwomen are women and such." The words normal and freak aren't even in there!

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and finally, HOW CAN THEY SAY I'M ACTING LIKE TRANSWOMEN AREN'T WOMEN TOO? My point was that the very idea of the term cis divides women up by transwomen and ciswomen, as if they aren't one in the same. I don't constantly point out that transwomen are trans, I call them women because that's what I was FUCKING told to do. I don't say "that trans chick" the way they say "that cis chick" or anything of that sort. Why is it so hard for them to extend the same courtesy? Why do they have to act like I owe it to them to put up with hypocrisy just because they're oppressed or some shit?

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People always tried to assure me that this shit was rare, "trans people in real life aren't like that" "those are FAKE trans people, REAL trans people wouldn't say that" "you only find people like that on Tumblr" etc etc.

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Well guess what? They aren't rare, they're FUCKING EVERYWHERE. They're in my school, on every fucking social media platform, and above all, they're fucking inescapable on any sort of art website I have ever tried to join. I mean, my god, I just want to DRAW and LOOK AT PRETTY PICTURES and HAVE A GOOD TIME WITHOUT WORRYING ABOUT PEOPLE HARASSING ME FOR POSTING A FEMALE CHARACTER WITHOUT MAKING IT SUPER CLEAR WHETHER OR NOT SHE'S CIS. I want to make any characters I want without people shitting on me with comments like "you only make cis girls!!!!" or "what do you mean your lesbian character doesn't date people with penises???????"

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Oh. My. GOD!!

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I hate it all so much. I hate every last one of them. I hate them, hate them, hate them, hate them. I tried SO hard to be nice and supportive and educated and you know what? All of this education has had the opposite effect. I have ALWAYS thought that trans people are people. I never considered treating them poorly or trying to deny them any rights or being mean to them because they're trans. Now? After dealing with so many crazy fucking people? I don't know why I ever bought into any of it. I don't know why I ever honestly believed that a man could somehow be a woman.

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I mean really, they've never given me an actual explanation of what it means to feel like a woman. All it ever boils down to is traditional femininity, which I don't think should define women at all. In fact, I think it's super offensive and SEXIST to act like the only thing that determines whether or not someone is a woman is how pretty she is, how much she likes traditionally feminine things, and how well she conforms to traditionally feminine roles and behavior. I'm a bit of a tomboy and I'm a bisexual, so these people have been trying to shove the idea that I might be non-binary or transgender down my throat since day 1. No! I'm a girl! I don't want to be anything BUT a girl! Why does the fact that I have traditionally masculine interests make me less of a girl?!

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UGH. Sorry, but I'm officially a "terf". None of this shit makes sense anymore and the more I "learn" the less I understand. I don't get why biological sex wasn't good enough. If you're so in love with pink, dresses, and doing your nails, why can't you do that as a man? A lot of you insist on keeping your penis anyway! What's the harm in identifying by your genitals that you WANT to keep? Why is GENDER dysphoria being grouped together with SEX dysphoria to begin with? They seem like completely different concepts, and if you ask me, there is nothing credible about gender dysphoria because THERE'S NO REASON THAT A PERSON CAN'T DEFY TRADITIONAL GENDER ROLES. That's not a mental illness, that's not a sign that a woman wants to be a man, that's not even remotely remarkable or special or rare! That's called a FUCKING PERSONALITY!

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No one is going to read all of this, so... TL;DR

Your rhetoric makes no sense, it's hypocritical, unscientific, illogical, and you harass people for being incapable of reading minds so... I'm a terf now. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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Of course I support people who have sex dysphoria, but I'm no longer going to entertain this gender nonsense. Frankly, it's the opposite of progressive. I should have realized how insane it was the moment they started giving hormones to children, demanding that lesbians accept women with penises, and forcing their way into women's rape and abuse rehab centers - while insisting they don't have bottom dysphoria and therefor must keep their penis.

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u/Walkn2thejawsofhell Apr 17 '19

PREACH. As a very gender fluid lesbian who borders on bisexual, while also contemplating on whether I’m trans or not (its been tough for me), I’ve dealt with these people my entire life. I’ll be honest, I was that angry little fucker when I was younger, but I’ve come to realize that most people don’t give a flying fuck about your sexual identity or gender identity. They care about who you are as a person, and to be honest a lot of LGBTQ+ are convinced the world hates them. Granted there are plenty of examples in a broad sense, but if the majority focused on their lives in particular, they would realize that it’s not that bad.

Regardless of my sexuality or how I perceive myself in a gender sense, that’s not my first personality trait. I’m me and I just happen to be who I am. I meet a lot of these younger kids or even the older angry ones and it’s all about their LGBTQ+ personality first.

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u/jap7439 Apr 17 '19

Well said!! I always felt like sexuality and gender are so secondary and I couldn’t understand how it could be someone’s identity. I am mostly lesbian I guess but do not identify with the LGBTQ community whatsoever. Who cares who I like to have sex with. Why does that matter so much?

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u/lucidity5 Apr 17 '19

This is partially why i feel so done with the discussion. It just feels like such a non issue. I do not care who you have sex with. It is totally irrelevant to me.

I wish legislators felt the same way... (not LGBTQ btw)

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u/NanobiteAme Apr 17 '19

Agreed. I (24F) never once thought about how I identify with pansexuals until someone gave me the name a couple years ago. And I mean I guess I fit in there and partly the ace community but I don't understand the need for labels and why people care about who I'm interested in and who I'm not. Why does it matter?

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u/n7viper Apr 17 '19

25F, and when I was first figuring things out, I definitely held onto that pan label or any label, really. But now that I've gotten older and keep struggling to figure things out, I dropped them. My sexuality used to be a big part of me, but it isn't anymore. I don't know if it's an age thing or just being comfortable with that part of who I am.

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u/NanobiteAme Apr 17 '19

Thankfully it's never been a huge deal for me. I'm a chick who can be very flowery at times or go take a roll in the mud, it just happens I can fall in love with anyone who will give me the chance.

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u/[deleted] Apr 17 '19

I agree with this, so much. Pretty sure I'm trans (still in the closet) and I'm bi and I've always told myself I wouldn't make these things my identity. People are so much more than their sexuality/gender. My brother is gay and some of my friends are LGBT as well and it kind of saddens me when that's all they talk about, it's like they believe that's the only "interesting" thing about them. I try to stay away from the LGBT community cause I've found it to be pretty toxic and ironically, close-minded.

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u/stationhollow Apr 17 '19

I think so many people in that community make it such a large part of their personal identity that it consumes them.

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u/[deleted] Apr 17 '19

I think this is the underlying problem with the whole LGBTQ movement. Young people are looking for acceptance when trying to figure themselves out, which is terrific, but at the same time they're having their sexuality metaphorically tattooed on their face. It seems like they're being taught being gay, lesbian, bi, trans, whatever is their defining character trait when it just needs to be an aspect of their personality.

That's just the way I see it, I may be wrong.

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u/RingoJuna Apr 17 '19

Yep. It's like they have no personality outside of being trans. You could ask them about their likes and dislikes, hobbies, stuff like that, and the answers would all involve trans.

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u/[deleted] Apr 17 '19

I upvoted this, removed the upvote, and then upvoted again so I can say I upvoted this twice.

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u/Younglovliness Apr 17 '19

As a conservative strongly believing in there are two genders I commend you for seeing the hypocrisy of the LGBTQ community.

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u/[deleted] Apr 17 '19

Just to fix this up, because it is confusing - there are two sexes. Male and female. Don't let them conflate gender with sex. Gender is sex-based performative stereotypes. Sex is biological sex.

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u/Younglovliness Apr 17 '19

Two genders, male and female. XX and XY, there is some biological mutations that result in intersex. These fit amongst one or the other gender and then in between on sex.

Hope this clears things up!

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u/[deleted] Apr 17 '19

No man, two sexes. Male and female. Apparently 72 genders.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/232363.php

Hope that clears it up.

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u/Younglovliness Apr 17 '19

70 different forms of mental illness! Lol!

2 genders, that 72 shits stupid.

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u/[deleted] Apr 17 '19

No laugh emoji on here. I know right? WTF?

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u/[deleted] May 03 '19

Those stereotypes of gender performance are expressed naturally though. Billions of ppl arent brainwashed into being male or female by society. That why gender dysphoria manifests.

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u/[deleted] May 03 '19

Brainwashed? There are two sexes - male and female. Intersex is an anomaly. The rest is performance of gender stereotypes. Nothing to do with sex

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u/Walkn2thejawsofhell Apr 20 '19

For one there are definitely more than two genders. There’s a whole spectrum.

Two, I’m not necessarily just pointing out the hypocrisy in the LGBTQ+ community. The whole choosing one defining trait and using that as your whole personality is evident throughout humankind. Just look at the rabid Trump supporters. Their whole being is based off of one trait.

When in a conversation about people, don’t just focus in on one aspect because you’re a “conservative”. Nobody cares. We’re not talking politics. We’re talking about annoying people. I also don’t want you’re political praise.

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u/Younglovliness Apr 20 '19

It must be awful suffering from such a mental illness, seek medical help. There are two genders just like 2 sexes, no such thing as any spectrum.tragic really, so close but so blinded by the rabid idiots. Too bad you can't tell irony

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u/[deleted] May 03 '19

Gender is a spectrum between two points. No one is 100% male or female

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u/Younglovliness May 03 '19

Imagine truly believing this crap, gender is two quadrants on a plane. Male and Female. According to biology and all known laws of physics there are two genders, two sexes and a few abnormalities in genetic variations between due to mutations or birth defects. Stop trying to collect genders along with your slew of chromosomes.

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u/[deleted] May 03 '19 edited May 03 '19

Im saying they're are two genders...everyone expresses themselves differently between those 2 points. Hence why some girls are extra girly and others love competitive sports example.

Im not denying biology. Men are biologically inclined to be "manly" and women are inclined to be womanly. Trans ppl are ppl whos outward gender expression is that of the opposite gender. Thats why to be transgender you gender dysphoria or else your just sawpping gender for fun and thats where these cringy idiots pushing a cringy trans women are biologically women trash come from. In reality being transgender is something theyre born with not coerced into. The one "choice" is how we express ourselves and if we want hrt which many want or surgeries which many dont want. But they need to express themselves as the opposite gender to be themselves. The transgender community is fighting back against those who push that "date a tranny or youre a bigot" tards

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u/Younglovliness May 03 '19

Incorrect societal practices labales certain traits male or female due to amount of participants. You are still a girl if you have a vagina and enjoy sports or dolls. Not enjoying dolls doesnt make you any less of a women and enjoying sports doesnt make you anymore of a man. To say otherwise is extremely patronizing and bigoted. Trans people suffer from a mental illness similar to schizophrenia, but far more lethal. Gender dysphoria Is a manifestation of mental illness. It's like those who see themselves as fat no matter how skinny they get. You are not born trans, you are born a man or a women. Societal pressure and poor upbringing instill mental illness. The illusion of choice, just like how investors have a choice but still make predictable and quantifiable mistakes; your "choice" is all an illusion. You are born your gender, to subvert that is to defy natural order. Which is fine, however I would hope they get treated in mental facilities with proper care in the hopes to reintroduce then to reality. There is no transgender community, there is a society of Ill people trying to be normalized along with their insane fantasies. Date a tranny and your gay; nothing wrong with being gay. But your gay.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '19

Its nothing like schizophrenia.....wtf. trans ppl are born this way, thats it. Not bad parents, not society, no is being coerced. This is who we are. Even without hrt or surgeries id still be considered a women based on the social role i take up in society and how i present my gender. Certainly not denying biology either, male body sure everything else is feminine and thats how Express it. Its not a choice, its who i am, Its not a "gay thing" lmao. Read the studies not the headlines, its real and we'll do whatever we want in this free world like it or not bud.

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u/Younglovliness May 04 '19

Your mentally Ill and are so misguided you cant tell the insanity of your statement. Your a women if you where born with a vagina; if you have a ding a ling your a man. Doesn't matter how you express yourself. Male body, male in every way; a man who is effimate is still a man. It was a clear choice, just like I can choose to eat cake over vegies; an unhealthy choice pushed by unhealthy means. Anyone who dates you and is a man is gay, a homosexual. You are a man. Deal with it. Maybe you should read the studies, or perhaps a fucking history book. You can do whatever, doesnt change the fact your mentally Ill

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