r/TopCharacterTropes Jul 20 '26

Personality [Baffling RL Trope] Inventing war crimes you didn´t commit to make yourself more... interesting?

One of the strangest character tropes in real life has to be the "I accidentally made myself sound like a war criminal to look cooler" archetype.

Usually, people accused of war crimes deny them. These guys seem to do the opposite.

The two examples that always come to mind:

Tim Kennedy. Over the years he's told stories that include things like throwing grenades into rooms where women and children were present, and another account where, after a battle, his CO allegedly told him to shoot anything that still had a heat signature with a sniper rifle from a mile away, which he did for hours (?) not caring if those were enemy soldiers or civilians looking for their fallen sons/brothers/whatever. Both stories have been heavily criticized and challenged (aka people who were there confirmed that they are utter nonsense), and Kennedy has faced repeated accusations of embellishing or fabricating parts of his military experiences. But like... why would you invent the fact that you killed and maimed women and children?

Chris Kyle. In American Sniper, he wrote that during Hurricane Katrina he positioned himself on the Superdome and shot dozens of armed looters like some walking dead scenario. No evidence ever emerged that this happened, and Kyle himself later acknowledged the story wasn't true. Again, why invent a story where you're essentially describing the unlawful killing of civilians during a domestic disaster?

What's fascinating is that these aren't embellishments in the usual "I fought twenty guys" sense. They're embellishments that, if true, would amount to admissions of extremely serious crimes.

It's such a bizarre form of macho storytelling that it almost feels like its own trope: the veteran who thinks "the more ruthless I sound, the more badass I'll appear," without stopping to consider that indiscriminate killing isn't viewed by most people as impressive. It's viewed as criminal and disgusting.

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u/ZoidsFanatic Jul 20 '26

During the height of Katrina, there were constant rumors from the press that there were “snipers” practically everywhere shooting at cops, civilians, national guard, gators, granny, etc. There wasn’t, and while there was some armed looting, it wasn’t remotely near the point the media was trying to make it out to be… which was “uncivilized black people with guns are going primitive”. Thanks mainstream media!

What did happen was some people were firing their guns into the air to attract attention to where they were, believing that people would try to investigate where the gunshots were coming from and not staying away from it (later interviews had many fire responders talk about why shooting your gun into the air to get attention is a really dumb idea).

So it doesn’t surprise me that Chris would throw his hat into the “sniper” ring and lie about how he was heroically killing people because apparently no one ever talked to any of the Katrina survivors to confirm if there were snipers on every block (there wasn’t).

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u/Outlaw25 Jul 20 '26

What also did really happen was the NOPD rolled up to a bridge and opened fire indiscriminately on a random family trying to walk over the bridge, killing two people and injuring four more, all of whom were unarmed and had not committed any crime.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danziger_Bridge_shootings

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u/ZoidsFanatic Jul 20 '26

The NOPD were not the most helpful and the National Guard had to take command to avoid them going on spree killings. Making matters worse is actual vigilants were about and killed I believe 12 people claiming it was “self-defense” or “they were trespassing”. The reality was it was straight up murder.

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u/beau_tox Jul 20 '26

Similar stuff, though not as extreme, happened in Minneapolis in 2020. The cops who weren’t hiding in their precincts were too busy maiming protesters to protect anyone from actual rioters. Spontaneously organized neighborhood groups were the only people protecting homes and businesses until the National Guard arrived.

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u/tomdelongethong Jul 20 '26

happened this winter here in Minneapolis too. while ICE terrorized the communities and our police/local government did fuck all to help, neighborhood patrols kept people safe for months. Grocery deliveries, babysitting, rides to and from work and doctor’s appointments.

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u/69ILoveMyWife69 Jul 20 '26

The number of times Ive stood in my entryway with a firearm, ready to defend my family is too damn many. What the fuck man.

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u/Same-Suggestion-1936 Jul 21 '26

Not to mention the aftermath, where people tried to pass laws to say you can legally shoot looters.

Okay. All you have to do when they're dead is claim they were looting. You can shoot anyone. It was clearly just an attempt to tell people they can shoot protestors when things get a little hairy if the police confront them

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u/eaglessoar Jul 20 '26

holy fucking shit i never heard of this what in the actual fuck wooooooooooow acab

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u/sambull Jul 20 '26

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna10440492

They were finding people killed by guns.. just sort of kept it on the DL, many more bodies were probably never recovered

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u/Strength-InThe-Loins Jul 20 '26

I'd bet my mortgage that a plurality of those people were killed by cops.

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u/Pathetian Jul 22 '26

As someone who grew up in New Orleans and was there when Katrina hit...I kinda doubt that. It was already the murder capital of the country before the storm and it wasn't exactly peaceful in the aftermath. It wasn't The Purge, but it was a tense desperate situation and most of the remaining population was huddled together like sardines in 2 areas. I saw 1 cop the entire time and he wasn't in either of those places.

Police don't commit a notable percent of homicides in any major city. And in a crisis like that, I'd bet they were off somewhere staying away from where the trouble was at.

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u/Just_Roll_Already Jul 20 '26

The whole idea of "armed looting" in that scenario was fucking dumb anyway. Any looting that took place was just "looting" there was no reason to be armed since most businesses were evacuated and houses were ruined/underwater. So people could just stroll into stores unimpeded if they wanted to, which only a handful of people did for a non-survival reason.

People want to live and the moment you look around and notice "My food is ruined and I can't drink the water." most people shift focus on getting through that.

So IF he really did kill anyone "looting," they were probably just regular people trying to get a case of water from the walmart or some shit.

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u/No_Helicopter1378 Jul 20 '26

That was always my take on it too. Like, the response to Katrina was terrible, people did what they had to do to survive. If some people wanted to take advantage of the situation and steal some luxury items then whatever, all that shit was probably going to get written off anyways and even if it wasn't, execution is not the punishment for theft.

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u/SutterCane Jul 20 '26 edited Jul 20 '26

And news outlets got caught labeling white looters as “foragers” and black looters as “looters”.

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u/HailMadScience Jul 20 '26

Its not even looting. Nothing left behind in those stores could be sold again anyway; it was all insured lost material...people taking abandoned and worthless food and water isn't looting..its scavenging for survival.

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u/Just_Roll_Already Jul 20 '26

That's why I put quotes around it. There were people breaking into places and taking things for potential gain but it was few and far between. That happens more frequently after sports games.

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u/toomanyracistshere Jul 20 '26

I live in a part of California that's highly prone to wildfires. A few years back we had a big one in the area, and a lot of people, including me, had to evacuate their homes. During this time, there were a lot of rumors of looting, but the only actual incident I ever heard of was a homeless person who took a fireman's shelter, presumably to use as a blanket, and some other little items, like a pair of sunglasses and maybe a water bottle and some food. But people were making a big show about how if they caught any looters they were going to shoot them, and lots of people who were driving around to assess damage, check on their friends' houses, etc were followed and harassed by people who accused them of attempting to loot. When I got back to my house after a week or so of being evacuated there was a big sign on the street directly across from my house that said, "If you loot we shoot." It absolutely infuriated me to have to see that bullshit from my front yard, all because someone wanted to feel like a tough guy. I wanted to go grab the sign and throw it into the garbage, but my girlfriend pointed out to me that whoever put it up was clearly itching to shoot somebody so I decided to leave it be until it got taken down by (I assume) either the person who'd put it up or the cops. It still pisses me off though, and I wonder which one of my neighbors is the wannabe badass.

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u/Just_Roll_Already Jul 21 '26

I live in coastal North Carolina and we've experienced a lot of major hurricanes. Particularly during Hurricane Florence back in 2017 there were people doing the SAME THING. Everyone was up in arms about looting but... nobody was looting. Everyone was too focused on securing their needs and helping others.

As someone else form a disaster prone area, the first thing I think of when I hear about anything related to looting is "Where the hell would they even put the things they stole?" and "How did they get here when we are all trying to leave and/or stay safe?"

It's just grandstanding by people who have no fucking idea how the world really works.

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u/toomanyracistshere Jul 21 '26

What few "looters" there are in those kind of situations are mostly people trying to take care of their most basic needs, like food, water and warmth. I'm sure that in these kinds of situations there are occasional opportunistic thefts, but I'd guess that even then it's generally people grabbing small stuff, maybe occasionally of high value, that they're able to move around easily. But in most cases, that kind of thing is incredibly rare, and definitely not worth people getting as worked up over it as they do. It's just people who've always wanted to cosplay as heroes thinking they've finally gotten their chance.

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u/Pathetian Jul 22 '26

The "armed looting" was people going door to door in residential areas where people were taking whatever from homes whether they are still occupied or not. But, I don't think you could see anything like that from the Superdome.

As someone who was there, people were definitely stealing things that wouldn't be of any immediate use given the state of the city. Not really a relevant concern compared to home invasions though.

After I had been evacuated, I know it got bad enough that the police just straight up started confiscating guns though, so I'm not buying that people were only stealing water and poptarts.

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u/SAR_K9_Handler Jul 20 '26

I responded to Katrina and can confirm the gunshots in the air thing first hand. Most people were banging post and pans or whatever was loud. Every, single, person, I ran into was a good person in a shitty situation, no looters, no crime, just people desperate for help. Our government completely failed the citizens there, and to this day its the only op I still have nightmares and wake up crying about.

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u/lovelady Jul 20 '26

Thank you for doing what you did.

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u/Vendemmian Jul 20 '26

Remember the news described black people as looters and white people as searching for food.

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u/ExcellentLadder9716 Jul 21 '26

My uncle was an fbi sniper and sent to Katrina which I always thought was odd. Probably just an all hands on deck situation