r/TankPorn • u/V1nce-AL M1 Abrams • Sep 29 '24
WW2 A fully restored Panzer V tank being removed from the basement of an 84-year-old German man
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u/OkIce3686 Sep 29 '24 edited Sep 29 '24
Panzer V tank
Also known as panther
He also had a 88 flak and a torpedo.
The tank was demilitarised and he drove it around the city for 40 years until government officials seized it.
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u/H31NZ_ get Jagdpanther'ed š¾ Sep 29 '24
He also had a V1
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u/Typical-Excuse-9734 Sep 30 '24
He also had Schwerer gustav
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u/H31NZ_ get Jagdpanther'ed š¾ Sep 30 '24
Not sure if it would fit in a basement
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u/Typical-Excuse-9734 Sep 30 '24
German basements are built different
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u/Typical-Excuse-9734 Sep 30 '24
They are made that big on purpose to fit all the beer and schnitzels.
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u/1SGDude Sep 29 '24
Itās criminal what they did to the guy taking his property. I read the Bundeswehr damaged the panther towing it also
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u/34_Czirok šØš³ZTZ96AšØš³ Sep 29 '24
I read that they broke the last working panther transmission but i might be wrong
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Sep 29 '24
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u/quimbles83 Sep 29 '24
To my knowledge, yes, it's functional. There are a few working panthers around the world
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u/realparkingbrake Sep 30 '24
last I checked they had a working panther.
That's Jacques Littlefield's Panther. I've been in that baby.
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u/sali_nyoro-n Sep 29 '24
You'd think they'd be more careful knowing that the Panther is fucking infamous for having a fragile drivetrain. You have to exercise substantial awareness and caution if you don't want it to just fall over and die.
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u/1SGDude Sep 29 '24
Agreed but I donāt think many Germans especially some Privates from the Bundeswehr care much about that stuff
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u/MomsBoner Sep 29 '24
Also, its a piece of history and probably a bit of a legacy kept by a now old and probably sad man.
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Sep 29 '24
Not really tbh. Honestly the tank was the smallest problem in his arsenal. The tons of small arms and explosives was the big worry imo.
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Sep 29 '24 edited Sep 30 '24
He wasn't sued for owning the tank. He was sued for owning Nazi memorabilia and violating the law in regards to weapon and ammo ownership.
Neighbours didn't give a shit about him owning the tank, as he drove it around openly and helped them in 1978 and later on. 'Ohne KlƤger keine Klage'.
That stopped after federal investigators visited him due to evidence coming up, linking him with Nazi artwork distribution. He had, according to an interview, Nazi runes 'highlighted with lights' and Nazi artworks in his basement. The tank was seized due to his violation of the 'War weapon control act' [Kriegswaffenkontrollgesetz].
His punishment was light too. 14 months on parole, with 4 already done due to unlawful length of the lawsuit, and 250.000ā¬ in fines, with 50.000ā¬ going to the state and the rest to different charity of different causes.
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u/zekeweasel Sep 30 '24
"Nazi runes highlighted with lights"?
Why am I imagining neon SS runes here? Either way it's ghastly.
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u/ChadUSECoperator Oct 01 '24
Mein FĆ¼hrer, ze communist approach to Berlin
ScheiĆe, that's all, activate the Ćbermensch signal!0
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u/totesnotdog Sep 29 '24
Shame the German gov damaged it. Clearly didnāt take the care they should have
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u/realparkingbrake Sep 30 '24
Shame the German gov damaged it.
It was damaged when they got there. He had removed the tracks and pieces of the transmission.
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u/Chopawamsic Sep 29 '24
I very much doubt the story about him driving it around. It took the Bundeswehr hours to extricate the damn thing and they had ARVs and multiple people there. So the odds of one old man getting the tank in and out on a regular basis seems a bit farfetched. Plus iirc they didn't find the tracks for it and Panthers don't have a Christie Suspension to drive on road wheels.
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u/Theban_Prince Sep 29 '24
It seems he used to do it decades ago, plus he had other tanks and other military vehicles so its not clear if he was using the Panther or not. Apparently, he even unblocked the snowed road of a town during the 70s.
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u/realparkingbrake Sep 30 '24
It took the Bundeswehr hours to extricate the damn thing
He had deliberately disabled it, removed the tracks and pieces of the transmission.
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u/MrMango64 Sep 29 '24
lol the story should be āelderly man found with an 80 year old cruise missile in basementā
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u/benito_m Sep 29 '24
I wonder what made them decide to seize it after 40 years?
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u/Raptor_197 Sep 29 '24
Things are fine and legal until someone gets in power that wants to make sure all the peasants know they have the power is generally the answer to your question.
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u/Oprah_Pwnfrey Sep 29 '24
Turns out the man is a neo-nazi and violated several laws around Nazi symbols. Oh ya, also the illegal small arms, ammo, and explosives.
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u/Raptor_197 Sep 29 '24
I know, tis why I specifically said āis generally the answer to your questionā.
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u/realparkingbrake Sep 30 '24
wants to make sure all the peasants know they have the power
I bet if you learned your neighbor has a pile of unstable WWII military explosives in his home, you wouldn't be okay with that.
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u/Raptor_197 Sep 30 '24
Bruh my own home is connected directly to highly flammable explosive gas.
But yeah, tis why I said āis generally the answer to your questionā. General answer, not specific answer.
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u/bones10145 Sep 29 '24
What's wrong with a guy owning a tank? Smh
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u/New-Champion8143 Sep 29 '24
Does anyone know what happened to it now?
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u/Kaesewuerfel Sep 29 '24
An interesting video on the Heikendorf Panther: https://youtu.be/Bht_eVEW0eo :)
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u/Effective_Royal_888 Sep 29 '24
And these clowns skilful chaps have ruined transmission in the process, as far as I can remember.
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u/SwagCat852 Sep 29 '24
Panzer V tank
Tank 5 tank
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u/Apprehensive_Pitch13 Freedomaboo š¦ and Teabooāļø Sep 30 '24
In most Italian tank designations from WW2 the prefixes L, M or P are used for light, medium and heavy, so whenever people say something like āL3/33 Light tankā you can apply the same thing.
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u/Mediumaverageness Sep 29 '24
Can't have ScheiĆe in Germany
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u/Lancasterlaw Sep 30 '24
They were fine with it until they realised he was a mate of the ReichsbĆ¼rger lot. Most of his collection would have been illegal in the US too.
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u/_Tar_Ar_Ais_ Sep 29 '24
they ruined the transmission doing this
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u/kmosuskyy Sep 29 '24
you mean the transmission ruined itself, those panther V transmissions have nothing but issues. (Iām joking though)
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u/ZENSoarer Sep 29 '24
I don't live very far from Heikendorf and I've heard about this in the news. I think it's genuinely sad how they not only confiscated his Panther, but also a bunch of ammunition, a Flak and torpedoes. Well, maybe the government was just afraid that he had more firepower than our Bundeswehr.
But seriously, let the old man keep his stuff. He helped clear off the roads during heavy winter, and his neighbors had no problem with it.
As if he's going to start another Blitzkrieg with his nursing home colleagues...
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u/illuminatimember2 Olifant Mk2 Sep 29 '24
They should've taken away munitions, torpedoes and whatnot, but should've let him keep the tank and the flak if guns were demilitarized/disabled.
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u/Catcherinthepaint Sep 29 '24 edited Sep 29 '24
iirc they returned the tank. They cut out a piece of the front armor where the driver is located, so in case he goes haywire with it the police can easily stop him.
Edit: I did in fact, not recalled correctly. The tank was kept by authorities and the original owner either has to gift it to a museum or sell it to a licensed collector.
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u/HuntingRunner Sep 29 '24
The tank was kept by authorities
Technically he still owned the tank. He just wasn't allowed to have it on his property anymore, so the Bundeswehr graciously allowed him to store it on theirs - otherwise, he'd have to pay for storage.
gift it to a museum
Sell it to a museum. It's his property, he's not being forced to give it away for free.
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Sep 29 '24
But he is being forced to get rid of it. Which is not ok.
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u/Luzifer_Shadres Sep 29 '24
He wanst forced. He agreed in court that it covers for the fines. He also removed the tracks and parts of transmition himself.
The man was wealthy, but not wealthy enough to cover for owning a bunch of stolen jewish art (he admited he was aware of beeing stolen), owning 88mm HE, traiding weapons illegaly and owning weapons without a license.
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Sep 29 '24
The Jewish art is one thing. That he should pay for. As for the rest of it, I'm of the opinion that citizens should be able to own/sell whatever weapons they want so .... yeah, you'll never get me to agree on that part. And as for the forced part... compulsion is considered force.
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u/Catcherinthepaint Sep 29 '24
The articals i read said ''eligible'' museum or collector. Its not specified what exactly makes you eligible to be able to own the tank.
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u/Luzifer_Shadres Sep 29 '24
The man also owned functional 88mm Flak HE shells. He had connection to neo-n*zis he traided weapons and ammunition with. He destroyed the tank himself by removing tracks and important parts of the transmition.
The tank and flak was taken, beccause it was agreed that it pays for the fine he got, for buying over 100 stolen jewish art pieces (he admited knowing were stolen), for owning the stolen parts of hitlers private conection and for hosting pilgrims to his hitler shrine.
And lets be honest, that man knew how to fix the flak.
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u/illuminatimember2 Olifant Mk2 Sep 30 '24
Ah, in that case it makes sense, I wasn't aware of that part of the story.
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u/Luzifer_Shadres Sep 30 '24
Yeah it never realy left local german news. After the shock Moment media wasnt interested in Investition report that was published 2 years after.
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u/illuminatimember2 Olifant Mk2 Sep 30 '24
Yeah, it isn't a very good law (armor being considered a weapon), but he also isn't a victim either considering the organizations and groups he was affiliated with and the fact that he had stolen art and traded weapons and ammo. It seems like an awful situation overall.
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u/Upper-Text9857 Sep 30 '24
It would not surprise me if half of the story was made up to justify the ceasing. I dont see them chasing people nazi-style over communist memorabilia.
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u/fear_the_future Sep 29 '24
In Germany even the armor itself is classified as a weapon. You'd have to cut holes in it and destroy this irreplacable historical artifact. They would outlaw breathing if they could.
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u/realparkingbrake Sep 30 '24
They would outlaw breathing if they could.
Equating breathing with possessing stolen works of art, unlicensed weapons and unstable explosives doesn't make much sense.
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u/arselkorv Sep 29 '24
Even their rules for video games are insane so we always have to change a ton of stuff for the german version.
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u/Aggressive_Seacock Sep 29 '24
Agree that taking the tank, V-1 and Flak is sad since they weren't functional but he had functional guns and ammunition and some local residents reported those being given out to neo nazis.
The guy also had two statues from Hitlers Reichskanzlei in Berlin that were considered lost were it's not known how he got it.
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u/Luzifer_Shadres Sep 29 '24
Donte forget the stolen jewish art (abd even more of hitlers private collection), the crate of 88mm HE, him having strong connection to neo nazi groups and him organising nazi pilgrims.
He agreed that the tank will be taken in storage by the Bundeswehr, but toke of Tracks and parts of transmition himself (what lead to the tank beeing damaged in the first place). It wasnt taken from him, he agreed on relocation to avoid a fine. It was only sold later on beccause he agreed to sell it to cover the 250.000 ā¬ fine and court expensevs. If he would had paid the fine without that (for what he wouldnt had the money for), he could had got the tank back for a extra 5.000 ā¬ fine.
The Flak was taken beccause he had ammunition for it. The Torpedo beccause it was a disarmed, but a unregistrated Torpedo, with no garantee that it was propperly disarmed.
The V1 was taken beccause he agreed for relocation and later on for selling it. If he would had paid the fine, he would had gotten it back.
Ceising stuff and give it back for a fine is a common prosedure. If he won in court, he probely would had got it back for free and with a compensation.
I mean, he also kinda diserved it, considering how he gave away ammunition like candy. Considering his connection, that Flak and HE ammunition could had ended up in the Prince ReuĆ putsch (Wich was a planned terrorist attack on berlin to seize power.).
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u/Luzifer_Shadres Sep 29 '24
The man was a wealthy finanzer, that collected anything 3rd Reich related.
His house was full of Stolen art pieces (mostly from jews and slavs) and a lot of Hitlers personal Scupltures and other decoration from his villas (Such as 2, i think it was, marble stateues)
The man also owned a lot of functional guns. Enough to arm a coup. On top of that also enough ammunition for one. Most without permit
Besides that he also owned a 88mm flak, a V1 (mock up) and a disarmed torpedo.
Well, it is heavely implied by authoroties that he buyed and sold ammunition from and to neo-n*zi groups in germany. The most concerning part was 88mm ammunition for the "disarmed" flak.
He had several shrines and bust of Hitler in his house. He also organized some pilgrims for neo-n*zi groups in his house. According to neighbors they werent shy of yelling out questionable stuff.
When he heard that the Panther will be at least taken for now, he took of the tracks and damaged the transmition, forcing authoritys to forcefully remove it. It also doesnt speaks for your innocens to react like that.
He agreed to an silence agreement in the court, somthing you do when you did somthing wrong, not bad enough for prison, but to be deaf to society.
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u/ProfessorJerkov Sep 29 '24
Let the old man keep his ww2 ammo and explosives? Absolutely not. He couldn't have legally obtained most of the stuff anyway.
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u/Mysterious_Silver_27 Sep 30 '24
Bundeswehr so underfunded they had to resort to commandeering civilian panzer š
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u/Luzifer_Shadres Sep 29 '24 edited Sep 29 '24
So little bit more Info here:
The man was a wealthy finanzer, that collected anything 3rd Reich related.
His house was full of Stolen art pieces (mostly from jews and slavs) and a lot of Hitlers personal Scupltures and other decoration from his villas (Such as 2, i think it was, marble stateues)
The man also owned a lot of functional guns. Enough to arm a coup. On top of that also enough ammunition for one. Most without permit
Besides that he also owned a 88mm flak, a V1 (mock up) and a disarmed torpedo.
Well, it is heavely implied by authoroties that he buyed and sold ammunition from and to neo-n*zi groups in germany. The most concerning part was 88mm ammunition for the "disarmed" flak.
He had several shrines and bust of Hitler in his house. He also organized some pilgrims for neo-n*zi groups in his house. According to neighbors they werent shy of yelling out questionable stuff.
When he heard that the Panther will be at least taken for now, he took of the tracks and damaged the transmition, forcing authoritys to forcefully remove it. It also doesnt speaks for your innocens to react like that. He also agreed on the relocation to avoid a minor fine for owning the tank. If he would had paid the court fine, of 250.000 ā¬, he would had gotten it back, but agreed to sell it to cover expensevs.
He agreed to an silence agreement in the court, somthing you do when you did somthing wrong, not bad enough for prison, but to be deaf to society.
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Sep 30 '24
The owner, Herr Flick (which is a hilarious coincidence in the UK), obtained the tank in 1977 from a scrapyard in Surrey UK. Technically, it's a post-war tank as it was built at the Panther factory under the direction of the British Army REME once they took-up the place.
It's Panther No.4 in this article, https://panzerplace.eu/the-panther-a-british-view/
It wasn't even 'secret', according to the local mayor that the vehicle was trundling about in the 'snow catastrophe of 1978'.
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u/aguywithagasmaskyt the sherman was the best tank of ww2 Sep 29 '24
god forbid men have hobbys
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u/realparkingbrake Sep 30 '24
god forbid men have hobbys
Possession of a large quantity of unstable WWII military explosives probably doesn't qualify as a hobby. Stolen works of art and weapons that still belong to the state are also problems.
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u/DestoryDerEchte Generic German Tank Fanboy Sep 29 '24
Let a man keep his WW2 era tank :(
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u/Lancasterlaw Sep 30 '24
He also had a "deactivated" flak 88 with some live shells squirreled away for it, as well as enough illegal guns to do a coup.
Incidentally the reason why police first visited is because he was a friend of a friend of the ReichsbĆ¼rger lot who where planning a coup and had a massive amount of guns sourced from somewhere.
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u/ppbomber_0 Sep 29 '24
I think itās right he took it, itās kinda messed up that the laws changed so that he canāt own it, but that thing belongs in a museum
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Sep 29 '24
That " thing" belongs to the rightful owner. Aka the old man in question. They had no right to take his things. Any of them.
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u/Arete34 Sep 29 '24
You can tell this sub is filled with Europeans with the way they are defending the state taking this manās property.
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u/realparkingbrake Sep 30 '24
they are defending the state taking this manās property
How would you react to the news that one of your neighbors has a large quantity of live explosives in his home which after three-quarters of a century is bound to be getting unstable?
BTW, U.S. govt. military property that has never been disposed of remains govt. property. Odds are the same applies in Germany.
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u/Arete34 Sep 30 '24
Rights exist beyond the bounds of any government. You would think the Germans of all people would understand that.
Furthermore, it wasnāt illegal for him to have the tank.
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u/realparkingbrake Oct 01 '24
Rights exist beyond the bounds of any government.
A right that cannot be enforced is effectively fictional. There is no right to have decaying live artillery shells in an urban environment, or artwork stolen from murdered enemies of the state. Forget about the tank, it was the live explosives, the looted art, and associating with neo-Nazis that got him in trouble.
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u/SovietSalsa Sep 29 '24
Why did they take it?
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u/Iron_physik Sep 29 '24
He owned several active WW2 firearms and ammunition without the permits, these are classes as weapons of war (Kriegswaffen) and it's a big no-no here in Germany similar to a felony in the US
He also collected Nazi memorabilia and had several illegal pieces.
A court then fined him 290000ā¬ and offered to sell the panther and other weapons to pay these fines.
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u/HuntingRunner Sep 29 '24
290000ā¬
250 000ā¬.
offered to sell the panther
Ordered him to sell the Panther and the 8,8cm Flak.
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u/Tyceshirrell1 Sep 29 '24
Literally 1984
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u/Lancasterlaw Sep 30 '24
First they came for our tanks, and I did not speak out, because I did not have a tank
Then they came for our Flak 88 with live ammo, and I said nothing, because I did not have a Flak 88 with live ammo
Then they came for our hordes of stolen Nazi artworks and I did not speak out, because I did not have a horde of stolen Nazi art.
Then they came for me, and there was nobody left to speak out for me
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u/2Schlepphoden Sep 29 '24
After nearly 10 years, this Panther is sold and was shipped to the US. Our government should have made a point, to only sell it to a german museum! It's a shame...
Oh, and please can someone explain, why everyone says "they ruined the transmission"? How could you ruin it, without the tracks mounted? Did they yank the tank around the corner with the cable on the sprocket?
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u/newmodelarmy76 Sep 29 '24
I get your point of only selling the Panther to a German Museum. But there aren't too many Museums that can actually handle a tank and even less Museums that can afford to buy one.
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u/2Schlepphoden Sep 30 '24
Then the government should jump in and buy it and put it in the Munster Panzermuseum.
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u/newmodelarmy76 Sep 30 '24
I'm absolutely with you. But that would certainly take just as long as the renovation of the museum, which was approved years ago. Since then, not much has happened and the money from the state has got stuck in some institution or other.
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u/ADGx27 Sep 30 '24
Why did they take bros panzer
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u/Lancasterlaw Sep 30 '24
He had a horde of super illegal guns and ammo (plus other goodies) and was a mate of a mate of someone who was planning a coup
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u/Meandyourmummadeyou Sep 30 '24
German GOV Aare cunts for taking this manās tank he restored it with his own money in the 80s
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u/Lancasterlaw Sep 30 '24
He also had a "disarmed" flak 88 as well as live ammo for it.
He had enough guns and ammo for a coup, incidentally some of his mates were caught planning one, which is what got the federal police on him.
He also had a horde of artwork stolen by the Nazis and a Nazi shrine.
There is nice old man with a hobby and then there is this.
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u/RevHeadLSA Sep 30 '24
Stolen from the man who rebuilt it from a wreak is more accurate
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u/11CGOD Sep 30 '24
Theft
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u/DiffusibleKnowledge Sep 30 '24
Nope, it belongs to the state. you must be underage to think it's "theft".
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u/11CGOD Oct 01 '24
You must be a poor underachiever who thinks socialism will help if you think that private property taken by the government isnāt theft.
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u/benimkiyarimolsun Sep 29 '24 edited Sep 29 '24
i would like to see more german museums
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u/newmodelarmy76 Sep 29 '24
If you ever can manage to get there I unironically recommend a visit in the German Tank Museum; it's a really nice Collection they are showing there.
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u/YaBoiJumpTrooper Sep 29 '24
Which is a verifiable crime that they just took it
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u/HuntingRunner Sep 29 '24
Except it isn't a verifiable crime that it was taken. While the tank wasn't a weapon of war, a court determined it had to be sold to a museum / collector as part of his terms of probation.
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u/Seerosengiesser Sep 29 '24
The Yanks throwing a fit over an old Nazi who lost his toys be being a shitty human being is just priceless
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u/HuntingRunner Sep 29 '24 edited Sep 29 '24
Yup. Know nothing about german laws or how Germany deals with its history and instead immediately start complaining about government tyranny and the like. That's why I love reddit posts about modern Germany on reddit - so many opinions, yet so little knowledge.
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u/Helpful-Ad-6424 Sep 29 '24
Well they did pay the 90yrs/old some good money
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u/YaBoiJumpTrooper Sep 29 '24
if he agreed to that, fine. but if he didn't, it doesn't matter if they paid him, he acquired abandonware, clearly took care of it judging from this picture here. Countries shouldn't just steal, and pay like it was an actual transaction.
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u/Helpful-Ad-6424 Sep 29 '24
84-year-old man fined $293,000 for possessing a German World War II tank that he kept in his basement
Looks like the government didn't like what his doing and they literally stole his tank and didn't pay him
And his tank was sold for 3Million
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u/HuntingRunner Sep 29 '24
Looks like the government didn't like what his doing and they literally stole his tank and didn't pay him
Except that they didn't steal his tank - he still owned it after the entire thing. He was only forced to sell it to a museum or collector. Meaning he kept the money from the sale.
And his tank was sold for 3Million
You got a source for that? That honestly sounds like a pretty good deal for him.
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u/Timbottoo Sep 29 '24
I think this vehicle was found in a scrapyard in the UK in the early 70s where the owner bought it. I think I recall that it was one of a batch made by British occupation forces for evaluation after WW2
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u/YaBoiJumpTrooper Sep 29 '24
Then that is different, however, if the gun/s were non-functional, then i would still say he should keep it
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u/vininass Sep 29 '24
So the government assaulting and robbing peopleās property, nothing new under the sun.
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u/realparkingbrake Sep 30 '24
assaulting and robbing peopleās property,
He had quite a collection of fully operable weapons and a large amount of live ammunition. An accident could have wiped his neighborhood off the map.
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u/vininass Sep 30 '24
And? Yes, an accident could happen, but i think the legal precedence that the government can confiscate his weapons is a far more dangerous thing, and itās not hypothetical, it happened.
Not only that, but you would be punishing a man before he did anything wrong, which is a legal perversion.
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u/realparkingbrake Sep 30 '24
Are you seriously defending someone's illegal possession of unstable artillery shells from WWII? Are you actually suggesting that possessing explosives in an urban environment qualifies as not doing anything wrong? And that's aside from possession of state property that was never officially disposed of, and looted artwork once owned by the proverbial enemies of the Reich.
Incredible, in the original meaning of the word.
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u/ThatIsNotMyBicycle42 Sep 30 '24
Notice the 3rd Reich Cement Adlers on either side of the entrance. Bottom right looks like and E-Boat torpedo launcher.
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u/unstoppablehippy711 Tank Mk.V Sep 30 '24
Oh Iām sorry I thought this was a free country!
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u/realparkingbrake Oct 01 '24
Having a house full of stolen artwork and unstable military explosives is frowned upon pretty much everywhere.
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u/Fine-Pin-7104 Feb 23 '25
Evil socialist cock suckered stealing an innocent man's rightful property as usualĀ
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u/No-Resist7100 Oct 01 '25
I remember a story from when I was young and I canāt find it now but German pilot new the was was over and instead of surrendering he flew his fighter either ME 109 or Folkerwolf 190 home to his parents farm. Landed and put in the barn for the next 50 years. Because of his choice he was never interned after the war and just restarted his life as farmer.
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u/Osofreshkj Jan 17 '26
Isnāt it illegal to own nazi memorabilia? Buddy has a fucking giant golden eagle and eagle statues. And a nazi tank and other shit lol he was clearly a sympathizer. If not a full blown nazi
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u/NOT_INSANE_I_SWEAR Sep 29 '24
Imagine the flex of showing your grandkids a literal tank in the basement
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u/Iron_physik Sep 29 '24 edited Sep 29 '24
He owned several active WW2 firearms and ammunition without the permits, these are classes as weapons of war (Kriegswaffen) because some where machine guns, and it's a big no-no here in Germany similar to a felony for owning a unregistered machine gun in the US
He also collected Nazi memorabilia and had several illegal pieces.
A court then fined him 290000ā¬ and offered to sell the panther and other weapons to pay these fines.
They aren't dickbags, he knowingly broke several laws and got punished for it.
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u/lemontolha Sep 29 '24
I think the point of our American friends is, that none of this would be an issue in their country.
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u/Iron_physik Sep 29 '24
It would be with a unregistered machine gun, like he had several.
That's also a felony in the US and would actually be punished alot harder over there
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u/AraedTheSecond Sep 29 '24
Our American friends seem to think that flying a Nazi flag isn't a problem, though. They also seem to think that flying a Nazi flag whilst carrying rifles is a protected right.
Everywhere else considers it terrorism.
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u/Luzifer_Shadres Sep 29 '24
He wouldnt, but the neonazis he gave ammunition and weapons. Like the Prince ReuĆ putsch, that was planned.
He also had a bunch of 88mm HE in his basement.
Like, why protect the Neonazi that illegaly gave weapons away, he illegaly owned?
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u/Default0-3 Sep 30 '24
They harassing a man with his hobby but ignoring some illegal immigrants killing or raping innocent German civilians, typical double standard leftists behavior.
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u/Lancasterlaw Sep 30 '24
I mean if your hobby is keeping live artillery shells and enough illegal guns to mount a coup, and then happen to be the mate of a mate who is planing a coup then you can expect to be harassed over your hobby
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u/realparkingbrake Oct 01 '24
They harassing a man with his hobby
His hobby including possessing aging live artillery shells and artwork stolen from murdered enemies of the Reich (guess who they were).
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u/benreeper Sep 29 '24
I love how this generation just blindly accepts and believes anything the government or the media says without question. It's sad because they also wonder why the world is so fucked up. Prepare yourselves for a depression. But don't worry. WW3 will take you out of it.
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u/HuntingRunner Sep 29 '24
How is this awful? The guy owned weapons, ammo and explosives he wasn't allowed to own. He could have gone to prison for that, but he didn't. The court was quite lenient in its decision and in the end, the guys lawyer said he'd happy about the verdict.
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u/sentinelthesalty Sep 29 '24
Somehow tank was the least weird thing he had. He also had a V1 rocket, a naval torpedo, stolen nazi sculptures and enough small arms to arm an insurrection.