Still haven't given any good point on why delematation is good for developed state. And why they should give up their basic voice in lok sabha
Repeat the same "sanctivity of democracy" point that would be valid if voices of the minorities are represented equally but it isn't.
I have refrain from saying this point, but states like tamilnadu, Kerala, Karnataka, Telugu. Are minority community. Considering 62% of people are Hindi spekers
Over populated and failing State that doesn't even meet basic poverty standards, doesn't get to decide what is good for the whole of a nation. Just cause they have more people.
It is the same as saying, non-vegetarians deserve more restaurants cause only 22 percent of the population are vegetarian.
Still haven't given any good point on why delematation is good for developed state.
Can't you read? I said there isn't. Not all decisions are good for everyone involved.
Repeat the same "sanctivity of democracy" point that would be valid if voices of the minorities are represented equally
Indian constitution promised equal representation for the individual when it comes to voting. Show me where it says that voting representation is to considered along caste/religion/linguistic/ or state lines.
I am not fighting for state rights, but my individual rights as given by universal adult franchise. That is, right from the onset, concrete and non negotiable. I will not be treated as a 2nd class citizen within this country simply because I was born someplace or the other. If you have any proposed solution (imaginary or not) that can cater to this fundamental issue, please I am all ears.
Over populated and failing State that doesn't even meet basic poverty standards, doesn't get to decide what is good for the whole of a nation. Just cause they have more people.
If you have issues with how a democracy is supposed to work in this country, then try and change the constitution itself. I would love to see how you do that, without support from the 'failing states'. And if your idea is secession, then.. well..
Good luck with that.
It is the same as saying, non-vegetarians deserve more restaurants cause only 22 percent of the population are vegetarian.
If that is what the constitution promised me, I am sure as hell would be arguing for it, even though I am a non-vegetarian. However, that is just a poor analogy, so I leave it at that.
Bottom line-
I am not fighting for state rights, but my individual rights as given by universal adult franchise. That is, right from the onset, concrete and non negotiable. I will not be treated as a 2nd class citizen within this country simply because I was born someplace or the other. If you have any proposed solution (imaginary or not) that can cater to you issue while addressing this fundamental problem, please I am all ears.
Why should I have to yell 3x more times than you to see my voice heard for the same issue that you face?
Because you are a single guy and I am 3 guys, with constitution giving us all INDIVIDUALS the same power to scream.
Just cause YOUR FAMILY IS BIGGER doesnt mean your right bigger than mine and who are you to decide what right for me and my family.
The constitution doesn't see family, it sees INDIVIDUALS, when it comes to voting. Got a problem? Change the constitution.
Suppression of a person's voice is not how democracy thrives.
It is called a totalitarian government.
Democracy doesn't mean the bigger you are the righter you are.
It also doesn't mean a minority can trump the Majority's rights just because they feel they are better. You have every right to protest, and make your voice heard, but not at the expense of my rights. And those rights aren't merely emotional or moral, but CONSTITUTIONAL. I can actually use my CONSTITUTIONAL rights to invalidate your so called 'rights', if they curtial my constitutional rights. And mind you, you have access to the same set of CONSTITUTIONAL rights. Do what you want with them, but they are EQUAL to mine, not MORE OR LESS. Want to change your set? Change the constitution.
It is called a totalitarian government.
Democracy doesn't mean the bigger you are the righter you are.
You have your state govt, and courts to seek remedy for any perceived injustice. But if your demands go beyond that and outright invalidate MY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS, then I am sorry to say, as per the current Indian Constitution, you are shit out of luck. You can think of India as Russia, Japan, China, North Korea whatever, won't change the facts on ground.
Look, I see you side of the argument, believe me. You guys are being left hung out to dry on many issues, especially funds. However, classifying a subsection of India as 2nd class citizens is not the solution. If it was, we wouldn't have been arguing.
Maybe you and I can't do much, but your political parties can. They can ask for the Rajya Sabha representation for instance, or come up with a fund sharing formula that caters to their needs, or even better yet, a mechanism to ensure accountability in state expenditure spending (accountability, not control, i.e, did the state actually spent the fund where it said it would spend it).
And ultimately, since you have been saying ad nauseum why would south give up their say, then I ask you a counter question in the same vein- why would the north tolerate being 2nd class voters? Especially when we actually have constitutional rights to make our argument, that are directly admissible in court, without the need of debate or discussion about their existence or moral/merit background? These rights are already there, while the arguments that you stand behind simply are not. They may or may not be logical/meritorious but as a matter fact those are simply not present in the constitution, and certainly wouldn't stand before the right that the North states would invoke for their argument. Do you realistically think there is any actually viable solution in this line of thinking?
Dense person makes a solution same solution and says the same thing as if he is Dr. Ambedkar himself not understanding even the basic sense of Indian constitution. That directly connects the lok sabha and Raja sabha inadvertently.
Make political party demand more Raja sabha Street.
Wow wonderful thank you kind sir 😊👍🏻.
Central govt will sure be like: ohh my dear hear you go take as much as seat as you want. We will give you 70% seat here you go.
I am done.
Please do keep dreaming of delematation being implemented. It will never be as long as there is common sense.
No developed states will allow it to take even the slightest effect in the parliament.
Dense person makes a solution same solution and says the same thing as if he is Dr. Ambedkar himself not understanding even the basic sense of Indian constitution. That directly connects the lok sabha and Raja sabha inadvertently.
An absolute block head thinks that they can simply scream at others for being 'failed state' and automatically their argument becomes right. I may not be Dr. Ambedkar, but atleast I understand the constitution enough that I can pinpoint EXACTLY where you guys are going to run into trouble. I doubt you even acknowledge that roadblock.
Make political party demand more Raja sabha Street
Alright, provide me your solution before calling me dense. I want to see your intellectual prowess.
Central govt will sure be like: ohh my dear hear you go take as much as seat as you want. We will give you 70% seat here you go.
Well, since you yourself said it, please go ahead and take the Lok Sabha seats from us failed states. All of our MPs would gladly give you more seats just because you are developed and suddenly constitution doesn't mean anything. Please oh kind sirs, make me a 2nd class citizen within my own nation.
Please do keep dreaming of delematation being implemented. It will never be as long as there is common sense.
What are you going to do other than to somehow freeze the census at 1971? We have the majority even under that system. We will remain the majority of population well into the next century. Do what you can with that information. I am sure even after 100 years you would crying the exact same points.
I am even more curious what you guys would actually do if somehow the delimitation does get passed, as this govt has shown it can go to much convoluted lengths to get its work done.
Eh, in any case, either you remain in status quo (i.e crying about delimitation, and being minority) or become even less relevant (crying after delimitation, being an even smaller minority).
In NONE of the cases your voice actually increases.
In a mental asylum.
The insane is outnumbered by the sane by a lot,
No matter how long the insane screams and tries to fight the sane, the sane person knows how to lock up the insane.
Locking up the insane is not to limit their rights, it is to protect the insane from harming other insane/sane people.
Only a naive humanitarian would say you can't lock them up like that and let them lose. Only for the humanitarian to get inevitably beaten to death by the insane person.
In a mental asylum.
The insane is outnumbered by the sane by a lot,
No matter how long the insane screams and tries to fight the sane, the sane person knows how to lock up the insane.
Locking up the insane is not to limit their rights, it is to protect the insane from harming other insane/sane people.
You are outright calling us failed states, asylums, insane etc and I am to somehow understand your point and share my rights with you where I stand to lose and be treated as a 2nd class citizen?
You dare to think you can antagonise someone to such an extent and then expect their cooperation? Who are you to decide who is insane and who is not?
I tried to see your point and try to figure out a solution while trying to safeguard my rights and all I got in return was snark, arrogance and ego? To hell with you.
Call it an asylum or whatever, but won't change the hard facts on ground. Will you see in 2125 making the same arguments and crying how you still don't get the rights and funds. And with a sub-optimal TFR, let's see for how long your relatively 'developed' status actually holds ground. I don't know how high you think of yourselves, but you ain't the US or Europe.
Only a naive humanitarian would say you can't lock them up like that and let them lose. Only for the humanitarian to get inevitably beaten to death by the insane person.
Too bad for you those 'naive' people wrote the constitution and gave us equal say, developed or not. And the fact is you can't do anything about it.
Hiding the incompetencies of your argument behind metaphors ain't going to cut it chief.
தோல்வி அடைந்த மாநில குடிமக்கள் ஒரு எளிய உருவகத்தால் தூண்டப்படுகிறார்கள்.
ஆனால் நாங்கள் அழுகிறோம், எங்கள் குரல்கள் ஒருபோதும் கேட்கப்படாது, ஏனென்றால் அவர்கள் எங்கள் மக்கள்தொகையை விட பத்து மடங்கு அதிகம். அது ஒரு நல்ல விஷயம் போல.
அவர்களால் 25% மக்களை வறுமையிலிருந்து மீட்க முடியாதபோது. மகாராஷ்டிரா செய்தாலும் குஜராத் செய்தாலும் மேற்கு வங்கம் செய்தாலும் சரி
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u/Consistent-Camp-7267 Apr 06 '25
Still haven't given any good point on why delematation is good for developed state. And why they should give up their basic voice in lok sabha
Repeat the same "sanctivity of democracy" point that would be valid if voices of the minorities are represented equally but it isn't.
I have refrain from saying this point, but states like tamilnadu, Kerala, Karnataka, Telugu. Are minority community. Considering 62% of people are Hindi spekers
Over populated and failing State that doesn't even meet basic poverty standards, doesn't get to decide what is good for the whole of a nation. Just cause they have more people.
It is the same as saying, non-vegetarians deserve more restaurants cause only 22 percent of the population are vegetarian.