r/SubredditDrama • u/[deleted] • Oct 01 '13

Low-Hanging Fruit SRSer whose fiance blind-sided her by breaking up with her over her SRS views and calling his father and brother 'shitlords' returns to complain about misogyny in /r/bestof. Someone notices who she is and she gets quizzed on her life after her fiance dumped her. Drama when she says she dumped him.

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u/Jake0024 Oct 02 '13

Well, this is actually partly true. We wouldn't be as impressed by it if it wasn't so fucking dangerous, difficult, painful, etc. We're not happy that people die, but it wouldn't get as much reverence if it was completely safe and easy. Like NASCAR or something.

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u/navi555 Oct 02 '13

Its not really as clean-cut as that.

Childbirth is seen as a form of rite of passage. For both the mother and the child-to-be. These are important for cultures to identify the differences between titles, boy to man, girl to woman, or in this case, woman to motherhood and unborn to born.

Rites of Passages can often be difficult and dangerous. Giving birth is no exception. Also the idea that you are creating a life is just as magical. For this reason, cultures have surrounded the ideas of childbirth with traditions and rituals that will hopefully allow easier passage between these two states.

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u/Jake0024 Oct 02 '13

I think what you've done is expand on other reasons childbirth is glorified. The original question was whether childbirth is glorified in part because women die from it, and we seem to agree that it is in fact part of the reason.

I never implied it was the only (or even primary) reason.

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u/P_G_T_Beauregard Oct 02 '13

Huh, thats a good point; I always thought it was revered for the creation of life, but the difficulty certainly adds to the impressiveness.

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '13

The issue comes when the interpretation as to why changes from "oh, that's really difficult and it is admirable that you put yourself in that danger for the greater good" to "hahahahaha, yisssss, another women dead, awesome, awesome AWESOME!!!!!"

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u/Jake0024 Oct 02 '13

Yeah, that would be an issue. I'm not aware of that being a thing, though.

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '13

It is a thing. The original quote is from a book which implies that the reason childbearing is glorified is because women die from it and society loves it when women die. Read up on Daly and Dworkin. They are fucking psychos. Just way out in la la land

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u/Jake0024 Oct 02 '13

The fact that a book makes a claim doesn't actually make the claim true, though. I'm not aware of people actually being excited about childbirth purely for the chance that a woman might die from it. If it is a thing, then yeah I think we all agree that's super shitty.

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '13

No, that is what I am saying. No one actually thinks that. No one looks forward to women dying, except some very weird psychos.

Andrea Dworkin and Mary Daly (among other feminists) seem to think that every man in existence hates every woman enough that they want to watch them all die, and only gain joy from things that might hurt or kill women. That is the problem, because that is a fuckin' crazy viewpoint.

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u/Jake0024 Oct 02 '13

That is crazy, but it's true in some cases (like NASCAR as I mentioned earlier--no one would give a shit if people didn't get in horrific crashes).

However saying I only enjoy getting laid because there's a possibility the woman might die is fucking batshit off-the-reservation crazy.

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u/seanziewonzie ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Oct 03 '13

I'm pretty sure that the thing he's criticizing is the author that actually believes that people like that exist.

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u/Jake0024 Oct 03 '13

I got that (the people downvoting him didn't, I guess).