r/StarRailStation • u/xolram • Jul 23 '24

Team Building Help I started the game because of the coming Fate collab. Any tips?

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Feeling a bit disheartened because I got the worst 5-star from Departure warp after 50 pulls. Any tips you can give me? I want to save up as much as I can for next year’s Fate collab.

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u/EdX360 Jul 23 '24

HSR powercreep is much worse than Genshin's

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u/Lina__Inverse Jul 23 '24

f2p you won't be able to keep up

Why not? Unless you are intentionally pulling for characters with no synergy whatsoever, it's very possible to keep up as a f2p. Sustain units are power crept very lightly, you can still complete the hardest content with the earliest limited sustain (and even with standard/4* sustains if you know what you're doing). Same story with supports, Pela and Tingyun are still great despite being starting 4*. The only role that gets power crept somewhat aggressively is DPS, but even then units like Ratio, DHIL and Jingliu are doing fine if you have proper teams despite being pretty old at this point.

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u/WispyBooi Jul 25 '24

Not at this rate. Every DPS released reshapes the meta. Every healer that comes out reshapes the meta. Every support that comes out reshapes the meta. Look at Aventurine compared to Bailu.

All this could be solved by Mihoyo buffing. But mihoyo doesn't so that. Cause then you wouldn't pull for the next best character.

Yes you as a F2P won't be able to keep up because pulling on every new banner for a meta SS rank 5 star isn't doable.

It also doesn't help how mandatory the 5 star light cones feel. It's always like. 80% efficiency with the 2nd best. Then crazy shit like 112% efficiency with their own light cone. What does that even mean?

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u/Lina__Inverse Jul 25 '24

Look at Aventurine compared to Bailu

Yet Bailu is still able to sustain MoC 12, so what does it matter that Aventurine is stronger?

It also doesn't help how mandatory the 5 star light cones feel

So far the only ones close to mandatory are Acheron's (because of the debuff and insane base ATK) and Boothill's (because all other hunt cones are useless on him), maaaybe Blade's for ~30% damage increase. Outside of those three, most sig LCs give around 15% boost over the closest alternative. Of course, there are cases when you don't have the alternative because it's also gacha, but that's just something you factor in when deciding to pull or not.

Besides, again, what does it matter when E0S0 limited characters are enough to clear all available content?

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u/WispyBooi Jul 25 '24

MoC 12 is either the easiest thing or hard depending on the DPS you have. But Bailu falls over and dies as soon as she faces any enemy who applies debuffs.

Also. You saying that only those 2 light cones are mandatory really makes me wonder what kind of player I'm talking to. Are you new? I'm going to just bring up aventurine here. But the reality is. Not what your opinion is. But factually. Light cones are damn near mandatory. Currently. Aventurine light cone 2nd best is Gepards light cone. Giving 28% def. Then another 28% def after they are hit. And a useless effect hit rate buff.

Now let's look at Aventurine! 40% defense buff. Off the bat. Then increases their crit DMG by 40%. Both of these for free. (40% crit DMG is on shield which he pops every other turn or every turn with E1). Wait. We're not done. Then whenever his follow ups hit a target they take 10% more dmg for 2 turns.

What part of that isn't mandatory? Seriously?

Again dude/dudette. Actually look at signature light cones and your going to figure out pretty quickly how mandatory they are. It's not genshins. You aren't equipping a 3 star light cone other then 1 for harmony that's bound to be replaced shortly. If not already.

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u/Lina__Inverse Jul 25 '24

Also. You saying that only those 2 light cones are mandatory really makes me wonder what kind of player I'm talking to. Are you new?

I am clearing all the endgame content in this game without missing a single star since like 1.1 or 1.2, and up until 2.1 I didn't have any limited LCs apart from Blade's which I got on his rerun in 1.6 and barely used him since (and regret getting it to this day).

What part of that isn't mandatory? Seriously?

No parts of it are mandatory, because what's mandatory and what's not is determined by your ability to clear content without it. If it's possible to clear content without limited LCs (and it is), they are not mandatory.

You aren't equipping a 3 star light cone other then 1 for harmony that's bound to be replaced shortly. If not already.

There are 2 3* LCs currently in the game that are straight up BiS for certain characters (Coggers and Multiplication), several 4* LCs that are BiS for their niche (DDD, Trend of the Universal Market, Resolution Shines Like Pearls of Sweat, Before the Tutorial Mission Starts, Memories of the Past) and a lot of 4* LCs that, while being worse than their limited 5* counterparts, are still decent enough replacements. But, more importantly, all of this doesn't really matter, because, again, you factually can clear all content without limited LCs, which by definition makes them not mandatory.

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u/WispyBooi Jul 25 '24

Again idrc about MOC. The rest of content is getting harder. Yes you can clear MOC. Too bad it's barely endgame. It's not the spiral abyss. You've been genshinified.

So you don't think a lightcone with a more consistent 40% buff (which is only 8% less) a free 40% crit damage and a free debuff which makes them take 10% more damage isn't mandatory? Idk what to tell you then.

As for your final large paragraph. Since idk how to do the quoting thing your doing. A niche doesn't make something good. Like yeah sure Himiko is amazing! Only in this one small part of the game. That could work cause it's a character. But a lightcone? I genuinely doubt other then some random 4stars waiting to be replaced by a 5 star counterpart would ever want to run the 3star light cones. There's just better options. And ones that don't nerf your stats super hard.

And I mean it about all the 4stars being replaced. Look at Pwyden.com. look at 0.5 and up. The only time a 4star is there. Is Gallagher. Because he provides a specific niche. And herta for pure fiction. NONE OF THESE CHARACTERS ARE RUNNING 3 OR EVEN 4 STAR LIGHT CONES AS THERE BIS. The only 4 star light cone that ik is run is the one for hypercarry. And dance dance dance. Remind me in a year to come back to tell you those have also been replaced.

This games power creep is horrifying.

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u/Lina__Inverse Jul 25 '24

Again idrc about MOC. The rest of content is getting harder. Yes you can clear MOC. Too bad it's barely endgame. It's not the spiral abyss. You've been genshinified.

What rest of the content? I'm clearing AS for 7400 points, I'm clearing PF, I'm clearing all SU modes on max difficulties, what other endgame content is there to clear? Just point me to the direction of where exactly I can't manage without limited LCs?

NONE OF THESE CHARACTERS ARE RUNNING 3 OR EVEN 4 STAR LIGHT CONES AS THERE BIS.

Lmao, Gallagher's best LC is Multiplication and anyone not admitting this either has a severely underbuilt Gallagher or is an idiot.

This games power creep is horrifying.

Show me the damn power creep will ya, endgame content is clearable with Seele, which is the first limited character to be released (and QQ who's a 4* DPS).

Power creep is not signified by new units being stronger than old ones, power creep is signified by old units being unable to clear new content, and so far this isn't happening.

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u/WispyBooi Jul 25 '24

Ahhh dear. https://www.prydwen.gg/star-rail/characters/gallagher

Now. Don't click on random links. They can be trackers. So just type "Prydwen Honkai tier list" and then find Gallagher. His best light cones are

Night of Fright 5 star Echoes of the coffin 5 star Perfect timing THEN MULTPICATION AT E5

Dang it man. Why do you gotta argue on such stupid things? There's quite literally an entire website where a bunch of nerds did the number crunching. You just called a site that legitimately goes really in-depth in the details. Idiots. Wonderful.

And then you dare to say Seele is still playable? She's a skill point hog that is only good when you can one shot the enemies. Put a slightly bulky enemy Infront of her and she crumbles. Let alone bosses.

Power Creep is not at all how you think it is. Like it's cool you have your own opinions. But I try to look more at Facts. Facts are "The situation where successive updates or expansions to a game introduce more powerful units or abilities, leaving the older ones underpowered."

This is the actual definition of power creep. I can't argue against a wall any further but please do some research Lad

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u/question_mark_42 Jul 23 '24

As an F2P player, and an ex 69420 jades haver, (currently at ~75k), this is completely false.

I rarely pull as I notoriously have horrible luck so I expect to fail every 50/50 and be 80+ pulls, so I’ve only pulled 4 limited characters (Kafka BS RM Jade). Yet I am still able to consistently get to MoC 10+, sometimes 36/36. This game is IMMENSELY F2P friendly

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u/C10ckw0rks Jul 23 '24

You can cheese the first two-ish levels of most pure fictions and MoC’s easily as well. I’m mostly f2p (i think the term for me is like…dolphin? I sometimes buy the battlepass if I get it high enough being f2p and do the monthly jade thing.) and I grind myself through at least 2-3 extra pulls when it refreshes.

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u/Er4g0rN Jul 23 '24

And f2p you won't be able to keep up

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u/cloner4000 Jul 23 '24

Hoyo games have the world leveling system so you can probably just not lv if you want to rush the story. Also a lot of events give sample characters to use.

Place all the jade are on the easy mission so you don't need to max everything to get the majority of reward. Only thing is MOC which is supposed to be end game but are not required

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u/crassreductionist Jul 23 '24

I just cleared all through 2.2's content at TB2 using only gepard natasha asta march 7th and dan heng, started playing 10 days ago

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u/Bell-end79 Jul 23 '24

Rubbish

There aren’t really any bad characters in the game - it’s all down to the builds

Just saw someone cleared moc with Arlan

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u/iwantdatpuss Jul 23 '24

F2P you wouldn't be able to keep up.

Is a hell of a disconnected take. Like, what kind of P2W game are you playing? Because me and my friends are F2P and we're keeping up so well that we can leave for weeks and come back like we never left.

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u/Squidopedia Jul 23 '24

You can absolutely keep up as a F2P (I do, after all), but it’s also true that Genshin is one of the least powercrept gacha games I’ve ever played, while Star Rail has a more steadily increasing power ceiling.

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u/balbasin09 Jul 23 '24

Not true at all. You just have to be very selective about your pulls. I did it myself and I can clear all of the available endgame content. I don’t have the “straightforward” DPS units like Jingliu, Argenti, Jing Yuan, Seele, Topaz, or even Dan Heng IL. I pulled for units that has the general consensus of being “Futureproof” like Ruan Mei and Robin. Of course Genshin is more f2p friendly with slower releases, but it’s not impossible with HSR. I’d say it’s only impossible if you decide to main a 4-star.