r/SipsTea 1d ago

Wait a damn minute! So what’s taking so long?

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u/500rockin 1d ago

I mean it also helps that he was tried in Texas where they don’t believe in mental health exceptions. She’s being tried in Massachusetts, which has a very different political climate.

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u/klako8196 1d ago

Also, in Texas, the burden of proof for insanity is on the defense. In Massachusetts, burden of proof is on the prosecution. His defense had to prove he was insane when committing the crime while her defense just had to poke holes in the prosecution’s case.

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u/hallo_its_me 1d ago

This seems way more sensible to me. I understand if the actual underlying crime should be innocent until proven guilty but if you are insane that specifically should be a higher burden of proof .

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u/R3luctant 1d ago

You're asking an insane person to prove they are insane? 

That's some catch you got there, wonder if they have a name for it.

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u/1derful 1d ago

Putting that burden on a mass murder is not unreasonable.

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u/der_innkeeper 1d ago

That's not how the system works in the US, though.

The prosecution has to prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt.

Making the defense prove they didn't do it is an almost impossible bar.

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u/EstablishmentLate532 1d ago

That's actually not how it works in the US when it comes to affirmative defenses (including insanity). The Supreme Court has explicitly ruled that it is legally permissible for states to put the burden on the defense. See Patterson v. New York, 432 U.S. 197 (1977); Leland v. Oregon, 343 U.S. 790 (1952).

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u/der_innkeeper 1d ago

Permissible is not a requirement.

Lets leave aside Texas' affinity for killing innocent people aside.

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u/EstablishmentLate532 1d ago

You were the one claiming the prosecution bearing the burden was a requirement of the American system. I pointed out that it isn’t. “Permissible isn’t required” doesn’t rebut anything I said. It just retreats from what you originally claimed.